Re: Mind's Eye Re: The Truth and Nothing But...

Some are excellent- for instance, Vidal's "Julian" and some of the
little known gossipy facts he used in his series on USA history. What
makes you think non-fiction history is honest? You are always going to
deal with bias, motive from any author, aren't you? Few authors/
reporters live long enough to trace the consequences of the subject so
they are only as reliable until the next approach/unearthing of
documents, etc. In the Middle East schools have been noted in their
slick use of razors to delete maps, facts from history so as to
control information, for instance. Didn't your parents tell you not to
believe everything you read in the newspapers? And what makes some
think all the political babble in ads and media is "honest"?

On Aug 3, 5:26 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> lol  Gabby     Personally  historical novels have never really been to my
> taste..
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> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:16 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Reads like a good read for Vam.
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> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:59 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Days of Destruction,Days of Revolt" by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco
> > > <http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12993106-days-of-destruction-days-
> > > of-revolt>
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> > > On Aug 1, 8:25 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Yes Rigsy Gore Vidal passing leaves a great vacancy open ,,  where else
> > >> will we get great lines like...
> > >> "The United States of Amnesia"
> > >> Allan
> > >> On Aug 1, 2012 1:50 PM, "rigsy03" <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >> > Sport is a tamer form of war, isn't it? Wrong Bond for me- but one
> > >> > wonders how Sean would have handled that stunt. Am not keeping track
> > >> > of the Olympic Sinophobia- really, the editor-zingers are pathetic
> > >> > delivering their soundbites.
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> > >> > Ah, sadness. Gore Vidal has died- age 86. Another approach to history
> > >> > is silenced.
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> > >> > Haven't read 50 Shades. Should I? :-)
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> > >> > Must get to a cuke today- subcs. active. Will make gazpacho and a cold
> > >> > cuke-yogurt to bide the heat.
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> > >> > Have my own take on the Opium Wars and the put down of the Boxer
> > >> > Rebellion- pure opportunist trade there. Merchants cannot stand
> > >> > indifference. Plus the decline of the Dutch. Oh well...
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> > >> > On Jul 31, 9:33 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > There is a point at which one has to accept that celebrating history
> > >> > > as truth would be extremely difficult in public events like the
> > >> > > Olympics.  A re-enactment of, say, the joint action of British,
> > >> > > French, German, American, Russian and Japanese navies putting down
> > the
> > >> > > Boxer revolution in China (1902 ish) is probably something to leave
> > >> > > behind at such moments.  The Queen leaping out of a plane and
> > arriving
> > >> > > by parachute with James Bond is at least obvious fantasy.  At least
> > we
> > >> > > were spared, as in Fifty Shades of Grey mode, the jump as some form
> > of
> > >> > > bondage sex.  Sport is rather tiresome - how long before the prone
> > >> > > full-bore is advertised in the obvious innuendo?
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> > >> > > On Jul 31, 1:19 pm, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > > True. The truth can hurt- maybe that's why we avoid it- or try
> > to. And
> > >> > > > it takes time/maturity/experience to weigh and judge facts. The
> > best I
> > >> > > > can do is get back to those imaginary scales I try to manage-
> > weighing
> > >> > > > the good against the bad- and hoping they will balance and bring
> > me
> > >> > > > some kind of acceptance.
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> > >> > > > On Jul 28, 10:10 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >> > > > > Things might be in books, papers, media, or other people's
> > minds.
> > >> > > > > Yet, it is YOU who is central to everything, including facts
> > you are
> > >> > aware
> > >> > > > > of.
> > >> > > > > Facts are truths of the moment, as it is in your insight and
> > >> > conviction.
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> > >> > > > > Even whether a 'story' is complete, or not, is a matter of your
> > >> > perception.
> > >> > > > > Of course, it depends upon how much details you've gone on to
> > acquire
> > >> > > > > and place in your awareness, analysed it and obtained a
> > consistent
> > >> > insight
> > >> > > > > with a critical eye.
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> > >> > > > > The elephant in the room can be known for what it is.
> > >> > > > > But it takes focus, the opposite of dissipation,
> > >> > > > > and hell of a lot of going through.
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> > >> > > > > We've generally lost the motivation for going after facts
> > >> > > > > and the art of going through !
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> > >> > > > > On Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:49:51 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
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> > >> > > > > > Was thinking more about Vam's statement about facts. Well, who
> > >> > > > > > presents the facts and how are they edited or censored? Many
> > were
> > >> > > > > > content to think of American Indians as Tonto(Lone Ranger)
> > until
> > >> > "Bury
> > >> > > > > > My Heart at Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown came out. When facts
> > have a
> > >> > > > > > political, religious or social purpose, you can bet you are
> > not
> > >> > > > > > getting the complete story. Same with families who whitewash
> > family
> > >> > > > > > history. No one who has read British history believes the
> > Olympic
> > >> > > > > > opening ceremony selections are the full story- that's
> > >> > entertainment-
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