Re: Mind's Eye Entirety-1

Oh, no, not my friend! She happened to have been born of a Jewish
mother. No need to feel sad for her.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Gabby,, Ii have epilepsy and am on some pretty strong medication
> and for me to have a seizure even though it was mild it has taken me close
> to three days to recover from it.. the biggest problem is focusing my what
> already is a feeble mind.. oh well that is past..
>
> I am thoroughly convinced there really are no new idea.. if you find a
> totally new idea it is a true rarity.. Most of the time a person is trying
> to express an old idea in a manner to clarify its understanding, that is the
> best a person can hope for.
> as for your friend,, I feel sad for her as that is the effect of very narrow
> minded people. worse yet very narrow minded religious what evers .
> Allan
>
>
>
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> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:10 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry to hear that you were feeling unwell. I hope you are feeling better
>> now.
>>
>> I do not see the new idea in what you are propagating as a new idea.
>> The perspective of a speaker saying "...people are comfortable
>> with..." is very common amongst people like Vam and Francis, but also
>> Neil. I find this behavioral attitude easier excusable in Neil, for I
>> see it as a side effect of professional deformation in his case. I
>> find this behavior personally problematic with hobby world explainers.
>>
>> As for being okayed for one's belief, my Jewish friend told me about a
>> convert apprentice in their Jewish community who became pregnant
>> before she was an official member of the community and had the child
>> aborted for it would not have been born Jewish. She became Jewish but
>> never again pregnant. I refrain from moralizing on the moral in this
>> context here.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > sorry for the extreme delay Gabby my head was s a fuzzy cloud may best
>> > describe it.. A lot of what I am saying has evolved right here in ME..
>> > so
>> > I hope you have read it before.. I tend to think while am in a
>> > discussion..
>> > ideas evolve.. starting with one idea in the beginning I hope they are
>> > flexible enough to grow and expand..
>> > Yes the distinction is there for the concept of an Entirety and people
>> > are
>> > comfortable with a separate god simply because that is the way we are
>> > taught. These ideas are for examination along with consideration. I do
>> > not
>> > blame people for finding new ideas unacceptable.. Navajos may convert
>> > to
>> > christianity but to them their people still came out of the earth..
>> > Believe
>> > me you will not change those beliefs.
>> > It is okay to believe as you believe I am not trying to convent you
>> > Allan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:07 AM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Allan, I've noticed you making that distinction in your terminology
>> >> before. I am more with Pat on not wanting to put God onto an extra
>> >> cloud but to view the God phenomenon as the/an entirety. Which is why
>> >> I would be allowed to parallel the "Who and where is God?" question
>> >> with the "Who am I and where is the I located?" question. The emphasis
>> >> on God being totally separated from the universe he created I read as
>> >> an emancipated reaction to the maternal physical belonging. An
>> >> over-reaction though.
>> >> As for Master Jesus, he is God's son. Good.
>> >> The soul's bondage relation to the great mandala is indeed worrisome.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > This probably will make little or no sense, but here goes anyway...
>> >> >
>> >> > The Entirety created the universe as we know it. Some people say
>> >> > there
>> >> > are
>> >> > different strings or many universes each with its own God .. I
>> >> > really
>> >> > don't
>> >> > care if it is true or not because anything is possible within the
>> >> > entirety,
>> >> > in reality the Entirety is beyond my mind to comprehend. Yet there
>> >> > are
>> >> > fragments of my beliefs that can be examined.
>> >> >
>> >> > The idea of the Entirely is to escape from the common concept that
>> >> > God
>> >> > and
>> >> > the human population are totally separate, the idea of a God that is
>> >> > totally
>> >> > separated from the universe that he created. I have yet to find a
>> >> > satisfactory answer to "Who and where is God?" The answers I do get
>> >> > seem to
>> >> > be just so much babble that is designed to add confusion to the
>> >> > question
>> >> > with out really answering it. There have been other muggled answers
>> >> > but
>> >> > it
>> >> > seems that no one within the religious communities want to give the
>> >> > answer
>> >> > "I really don't know." To them apparently the answer of "It is a
>> >> > divine
>> >> > mystery is a better answer." is far better. You hear a lot of the
>> >> > "divine
>> >> > mystery" within the Roman Catholic church in which I was raised.
>> >> >
>> >> > What I have found out is either beliefs are growing and expanding or
>> >> > they
>> >> > are dying. I personally want a faith that grows and has the ability
>> >> > to
>> >> > expand, not one that is rigid and not yielding.
>> >> >
>> >> > As for divine mysteries the question always pops up n my mind "What
>> >> > does
>> >> > God
>> >> > have to hide?" Mysteries are to be explored and solved.
>> >> > Spirituality
>> >> > is
>> >> > an experience to be lived. The variety can be infinite in nature. I
>> >> > have
>> >> > met
>> >> > several people with experiences similar to mine, they are each unique
>> >> > and
>> >> > special. You can stop after any one of those experiences and have an
>> >> > extremely rich spiritual life. Most people do just that, others after
>> >> > one
>> >> > experience run off preaching hell fire and brimstone, leaving me
>> >> > wondering
>> >> > just what their experience was, or those that run off wanting to heal
>> >> > everyone. Don't get me wrong healing can be very very real and that
>> >> > type
>> >> > of
>> >> > energy is there, but what is presented reminds me of a song verse 'Oh
>> >> > Lord
>> >> > won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz , my friends all have Porches and I
>> >> > must
>> >> > make amends!'. Then again we live in a very gimme world so what can I
>> >> > expect.
>> >> >
>> >> > The name 'Entirety' comes from trying to find an existing word that
>> >> > best
>> >> > defines my vision of what I conceive God to be and not have it
>> >> > tainted
>> >> > by
>> >> > other predefined definitions. The only word at this point I have
>> >> > found
>> >> > is
>> >> > 'the Entirety'. A simple word that encompasses everything, whether I
>> >> > understand it or not. So the word Entirety encompasses all that said
>> >> > to
>> >> > be
>> >> > God and then beyond.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now the Entirety is everything that is physical spiritual and beyond,
>> >> > leaving nothing out. Now our soul and bodies are just simply part of
>> >> > the
>> >> > entirety. As for trying to explain the concept it is beyond me. There
>> >> > are a
>> >> > whole lot of questions in this realm to which the only answer I know
>> >> > is
>> >> > I
>> >> > don't know. So you are running up against the I don't know.. maybe
>> >> > someday
>> >> > someone will be able to answer those questions,, They are a one step
>> >> > at
>> >> > a
>> >> > time thing. That has been my personal experience with spirituality is
>> >> > a
>> >> > step
>> >> > at a time as I would not be able to handle it all at once.
>> >> > Spirituality
>> >> > has
>> >> > to be able to grow and expand.
>> >> >
>> >> > Please realize I am though a follower of Jesus first of many
>> >> > brothers.
>> >> > In
>> >> > saying that I am not a paulist because he dogma and doctrine wrong,
>> >> > they
>> >> > destroy the teachings and spirituality of Master Jesus.
>> >> >
>> >> > The Entirety concept frees everything from dogma and doctrine of
>> >> > churches.
>> >> > The idea is to understand the relationship between myself and the
>> >> > Entirety.
>> >> > It seems churches do everything they can do to prevent that
>> >> > relationship.
>> >> >
>> >> > Looking at the Entirety from the stand point of the mandala or wheel
>> >> > of
>> >> > life. Each soul is looking for its location within that Mandala. It
>> >> > is
>> >> > only
>> >> > recently that the soul has been making sense or at least starting to.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have several stories similar in nature to my own but they make
>> >> > little
>> >> > difference as the point is only that often times I see things from a
>> >> > different view point hopefully giving an insight as to why. My world
>> >> > has
>> >> > transformed to a world where the Entirety has become the center of my
>> >> > universe. The truth is I don't want the Entirety any place else the
>> >> > center
>> >> > of my universe. Funny he truly is the center of the universe and so
>> >> > much
>> >> > more.
>> >> >
>> >> > The dual nature of man is very interesting. Oddly most churches
>> >> > believe
>> >> > in
>> >> > the spirit side and say there is the soul. From there they talk about
>> >> > heaven
>> >> > and hell with a whole lot of condemnation and fear used to control
>> >> > the
>> >> > human
>> >> > side. Giving all importance to the physical side, ignoring the
>> >> > spiritual
>> >> > side. You see the ignoring of the spiritual side in the form of
>> >> > greed..
>> >> > murder especially with out conscious thought or care.. everyone is
>> >> > responsible for their actions and failure to act. The Teachings of
>> >> > the
>> >> > different religions are really creating a dangerous world for the
>> >> > existence
>> >> > of the soul.
>> >> >
>> >> > Joking around in a discussion I made a comment that maybe we are
>> >> > spiritual
>> >> > Zombies, only to find out later that there is an islamic group that
>> >> > has
>> >> > a
>> >> > very idea as I was looking at the idea, we have often discussed the
>> >> > duality
>> >> > of man being both soul and spirit. Now if a person starts looking at
>> >> > the
>> >> > soul and its preexistence before being born. Then that in reality
>> >> > makes
>> >> > the
>> >> > body a vehicle for the soul. That raises the question what is it a
>> >> > vehicle
>> >> > for or just what is its purpose.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now in reality we are spiritual beings, just like what the christian
>> >> > world
>> >> > refers to as angels. Becoming human is a choice. The Entirety give us
>> >> > the
>> >> > ability to chose and improve our status on the great mandala or as it
>> >> > is
>> >> > known in christianity as heaven and earth. Every soul knows what is
>> >> > required
>> >> > of it to improve its status in the spiritual realm and upon entering
>> >> > the
>> >> > human vehicle it essentially loses its memory of the realm from
>> >> > which
>> >> > it
>> >> > originated. In the human vehicle it needs to learn that it is a
>> >> > spiritual
>> >> > being and how it responds determines the status, Oddly there is an
>> >> > ancient
>> >> > law that simply states 'above all do no harm' and there are many
>> >> > ways
>> >> > of
>> >> > doing harm, in today's world there are many ways that no one even
>> >> > blinks
>> >> > at
>> >> > any more. People have become blind to the rest of the world and what
>> >> > effects
>> >> > their actions have on the rest of the population.
>> >> >
>> >> > In the roman rite of christianity there is prayer when you are asking
>> >> > forgiveness that goes "in what I have done and what I have failed to
>> >> > do."
>> >> > and the failed to do in this world is a spiritual killer. The excuse
>> >> > there
>> >> > is nothing I can do never really holds true. Politicians that are
>> >> > raping
>> >> > the
>> >> > the country for personal gain and that of their buddies. If you are
>> >> > voting
>> >> > for them you are saying that okay I approve of your actions keep up
>> >> > the
>> >> > good
>> >> > work. When they remove support for the elderly and poor in favor of
>> >> > their
>> >> > war machine and killing. When you buy stock in companies that are
>> >> > raping
>> >> > the
>> >> > earths minerals and resources. or industries that are robbing people
>> >> > to
>> >> > put
>> >> > better their financial interest.. sometimes in activity or not doing
>> >> > or
>> >> > saying something is just as damaging to the soul. A person can go on
>> >> > for
>> >> > volumes and that is what the churches have done - obey the volumes
>> >> > of
>> >> > laws
>> >> > and rules.
>> >> >
>> >> > Personally I think that if people realized the effect that their
>> >> > actions
>> >> > have on their soul the world would change.. like a lot of things it
>> >> > seems
>> >> > that everything is backward,, the importance is stressed on the
>> >> > human
>> >> > vehicle rather that the soul that it contains. This makes no sense as
>> >> > the
>> >> > human form last less than 125 years in the greatest majority of
>> >> > cases,
>> >> > then
>> >> > it returns to dust and the soul is resurrected back into the
>> >> > spiritual
>> >> > realm to find out if it improved its status in the great mandala.
>> >> >
>> >> > Which is more important.
>> >> > Allan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> > --
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>> > |_D Allan
>> >
>> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >
>> >
>> > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>> >
>> > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>> >
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>> > --
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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