could do the refereeing better. "
There is, of course, no bar on thinking what we will. On the face of it, the system approach works in 'captive' environments, with people who 'must' abide by rules and heed the threat of penalty or expulsion more than the punishment itself.
In, say, a factory... the notice on late-coming works because everybody 'needs' the work. But, the real robbing is two-fold : one, by the owner himself who has all the info, resources to lie and cheat legally and the power (by law) to make people abide by his 'terms of employment' ... take it or leave it; and, two, by people who are not captive or are not debilitated enough by having the 'need' ... who are willing to risk the illegalities.
There is f-all we and the system measures can achieve with the real robbers ! The terms of reckoning for them is the law, admn, police, taxmen... many among which are captive to opportunity for spoils. The rest is smartness and daring... and the freedom to time and lead events.
System measures can only deal with exceptions : like sampling tests for quality assurance. If the failures are high and it is profitable to fail ... what effing QC ?
There must be hardware and software in place to ensure quality in general output. That's where the terms of reckoning with our self comes in. We have nothing, absolutely nothing to replace that, in its effects.
On Friday, September 28, 2012 4:40:46 AM UTC+5:30, archytas wrote:
-- On Friday, September 28, 2012 4:40:46 AM UTC+5:30, archytas wrote:
The 'official speak' of my postmodernism is 'Lakatosian paradigm in
decadence' - regulations are cheated. It's getting more difficult to
cheat in sport these days because of drug-testing, referees and the
video replay. Just as his was happening in sport, 'someone' decided
to let all the rules go to pot in finance. I had a very lovely friend
who cheated at Monopoly - the cheating being part of the fun of the
game with no damage done. My feelings are much like rigsy's - I just
think ethics require public scrutiny, ideology prevents this and we
could do the refereeing better. My guess is the problem is essentially
economics and business practices that are medieval and trapped in
animal genetics. Simples!
On 26 Sep, 07:44, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Where do you feel Rigsy's stick of despair? She sounds very up to date
> to my ears, criticizing our fast unculture (modern positive keyword:
> sustainability).
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> And Neil posted numbered to do lists in order save the world at least
> twice, as far as I remember. You would have liked them if they had
> sprung off your mind. ;)
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> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Rigs, you seem to be beating here, there and everywhere with your stick of
> > despair ! Modernism has only changed the form of effects of our failures.
> > Even Neil's post-modern theory of ethics seems needlessly complex.
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> > It's us. Period. Ethics requires people who are moral. Which, in my
> > perspective, translates as men who are evolved ... spiritually evolved ...
> > with whom, conscientiousness is supreme virtue.
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> > Contemplation will take us back to that Truth, of which I tried to share not
> > so long ago.
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> > Honesty is a corollary of truth. It's us. The society you are beating is us.
> > Technology and wealth are neutral and inert. If inebriation was in alcohol,
> > the bottles should dance !
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> > On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 6:21:10 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
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> >> The ethics are already in place, Allan- they are just not practised.
> >> You could include "greedy" imperialistic nations, berserk cultures,
> >> grasping political parties. More's "Utopia" stressed humanism which is
> >> under stress due to science and technology today- the new darling.
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> >> On Sep 24, 10:00 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Ethics are going to be definitely reinvented getting greeedy individuals
> >> > and corporations under control.
> >> > Allan
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> >> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:59 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > A recent example: "Reinventing Ethics" by Howard Gardner
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> >> > > >http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/ ..reinventing-ethics/?s.
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> >> > > On Sep 24, 7:50 am, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > > > The government decides how to spend/mis-spend the taxes and fees
> >> > > > they
> >> > > > raise because we thought it wise at one time to give them that
> >> > > > power.
> >> > > > Banks have altered their function and don't forget credit cards as
> >> > > > unsecured loans. Somehow, my mind drifted to Plato's "Republic"- but
> >> > > > there are many examples of attempts to organize society- none of
> >> > > > which, imho, has done a very good job. There is an impossible lack
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > control particularly since the advent of Liberalism.
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> >> > > > On Sep 22, 6:29 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > I think the germ of the idea is in this Don. All money
> >> > > > > essentially
> >> > > > > comes from government - what we get from banks is debt. Street-up
> >> > > > > decision-making isn't all of it as rigsy points out.
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> >> > > > > On 22 Sep, 12:26, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > > You still have to deal with priorities on that list, however.
> >> > > Stadiums
> >> > > > > > might trump infrastructure.
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> >> > > > > > On Sep 22, 5:22 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > >http://professional.wsj.com/article/ ..SB1000087239639044416580457800 851.
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> >> > > > > > > This is what I'm talking about! Decentralization is key. I
> >> > > > > > > believe
> >> > > this is
> >> > > > > > > your busy bees at work Neil.
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> >> > > > > > > "Peer networks don't have to involve digital technology.
> >> > > > > > > Twenty
> >> > > years ago,
> >> > > > > > > the Brazilian city of Porto Alegre pioneered a radical new
> >> > > technique called
> >> > > > > > > "participatory budgeting." Each year, the city's 16 regions
> >> > > conduct general
> >> > > > > > > assemblies in which neighbors debate priorities for the
> >> > > > > > > budget:
> >> > > school
> >> > > > > > > construction, sewer repair, bridge building. The assemblies
> >> > > > > > > create
> >> > > a ranked
> >> > > > > > > list of projects, and the government disperses funds
> >> > > > > > > accordingly.
> >> > > The money
> >> > > > > > > comes from the state, but the decision of what to fund comes
> >> > > > > > > from
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > > > street."
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> >> > )
> >> > |_D Allan
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> >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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