Re: Mind's Eye Re: thought experiments

I actually do cut my neighbours lawn and mended her fence.
Robot heaven as elephants' graveyard or 'not yet available on earth'
Gabby? I think the challenge of the idea is to various work ethics.
My guess is the amount of real work that needs doing is quite small
and could be shared and done without 'money terrorism' brought about
by the threat we can be starved into submission by employers. This
would leave us with the problem of slackers.

On 21 Sep, 09:00, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think you are distorting an idea and the effects Don,  every one
> is entitled to health care.  If my employer is unwilling to provide it
> because he can not make as much money if he does..  I suffer because if his
> greed..  am I required to suffer because of the greed of other men?
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> On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:25:16 PM UTC-5, rigsy03 wrote:
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> >> It is also the joy of work- accomplishment, etc. rather than
> >> competing- maybe you are testing your own skills or mastering your
> >> abilities to repair something, create something.
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> > One can certainly enjoy sprucing up one's home or automobile or garden and
> > keep one self busy making sure our home appliances and robots are in good
> > working order. We have plenty of practice so we get quite good at these
> > chores that help ourselves and our families. But our neighbor prefers to
> > play video games and watch cooking shows on tv instead of being
> > industrious. Well that won't work because we are all "entitled" to the same
> > things, correct? So maybe I should go to my neighbor's house and work on
> > his robots and appliances and prune his trees and cut his grass for him.
> > This will, of course, require me to work much harder and the chores around
> > my living space will suffer for it but that's ok because we all deserve the
> > same benefits don't we?
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> > Maybe not.
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> > dj
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> >> On Sep 20, 12:03 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Reminds me of the Fritz Lang classic Metropolis. Who's going to build
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> >> > repair and innovate the robots? Other robots? Haven't you seen "I,
> >> Robot"
> >> > or "Terminator?" There will always be greener grass somewhere and
> >> people
> >> > will "compete" to occupy it. If it's not Financially perhaps we will
> >> have
> >> > gladiatorial competitions to weed out the weak. Maybe we'll play chess
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> >> > favors. Maybe we'll keep building robots to fight for us and play chess
> >> for
> >> > us, I dunno. But we will always compete for what we want and we will
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> >> > WANT what we don't HAVE. Doesn't matter if we already have everything
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> >> > I want HER. Or HIM. Or that PARTICULAR view from that SPECIFIC condo or
> >> > whatever. I'm no sociologist but I'm pretty sure the compitition gene
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> >> > hardwired in the best of us and if we lose it we are doomed. I mean
> >> extinct
> >> > doomed.
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> >> > On Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:56:36 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
> >> > > Thought experiments are devices of the imagination used to
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> >> > > the nature of things. Thought experimenting often takes place when
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> >> > > method of variation is employed in entertaining imaginative
> >> > > suppositions. They are used for diverse reasons in a variety of
> >> areas,
> >> > > including economics, history, mathematics, philosophy, and physics.
> >> > > Most often thought experiments are communicated in narrative form,
> >> > > sometimes through media like a diagram. Thought experiments should be
> >> > > distinguished from thinking about experiments, from merely imagining
> >> > > any experiments to be conducted outside the imagination, and from
> >> > > psychological experiments with thoughts. They should also be
> >> > > distinguished from counterfactual reasoning in general, as they seem
> >> > > to require an experimental element.
> >> > >http://plato.stanford.edu/**entries/thought-experiment/<http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thought-experiment/>
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> >> > > One I like is the notion of robot heaven.  It's easy enough to
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> >> > > a time when machines grow our food, build our shelter and do our
> >> > > work.  The interesting stuff comes in thinking what this would mean
> >> > > for wealth distribution and the nature of society.  What work would
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> >> > > left to do?  One can also wonder what place any of our work ethics
> >> > > would have in such a society.  There may be some deconstructive
> >> effect
> >> > > on just what current work ideologies are in place for.
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> >> > > One of the great improvements technology brought to my life is more
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> >> > > less never having to go into a bank.  The only real innovations in
> >> > > banking are the ATM and electronic banking.  This kind of technology
> >> > > and similar in agriculture and industry fundamentally reduce the
> >> > > amount of human effort to grow and make what we need.  We are in
> >> > > partial state of robot heaven.
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> >> > > Our ideologies are not up to speed.  Real unemployment is massive and
> >> > > education does little to provide job skills.  We are sold life-styles
> >> > > and products by insane advertising.  Job creation seems to be in
> >> > > perverse areas like financial services or bringing back attended gas-
> >> > > pumps.  With more efficient production we should be able to afford a
> >> > > bigger social sector and I can't for the life of me understand why we
> >> > > allow competition through crap wages and conditions.
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> >> > > A great deal of what we pay for could be available more or less free.
> >> > > Educational content and utility banking are examples - these are
> >> areas
> >> > > that could be ratinalised like agriculture and manufacturing.
> >> > > Millions of jobs would go.  We should be asking why jobs are so
> >> > > central to out thinking on wealth distribution and how we might
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