Re: Mind's Eye turning the world Greek

How does a Hegelian relationship between unequals figure into this?
Dug out an interview with Elfriede Jelinek though I haven't read her
books. <http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/21/magazine/21QUESTIONS.html>
Sexual and financial politics are probably related more than we
admit.//Anyway, I really do try to keep an "open mind" (though is can
get drafty, at times) so it was good to read you think I try for the
happy medium. There may be too much information stored in the wrong
compartments!

On Sep 5, 12:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There are many calls for a fresh start.
>
> "Sadly, in this banana republic which employs such banana agencies as
> the SEC to do the bidding of the banana elite that matters: not
> democrats, not republicans, but Wall Street's banks full of money
> (most of it from the trillions in 2008/9 taxpayer funded bailouts),
> nothing will ever change, until the next and final crash wipes out
> everything with it and forces the system to start afresh. Only by
> eliminating the status quo, its insidious tentacles, and the enture
> existing generation of corrupt, criminal, co-opted regulators, can
> there be a chance to restore some semblance of fair and efficient
> markets.
>
> Until then, enjoy the farce of the broken Wall Street casino until
> trading volumes finally hit zero. It won't be long. At that point it
> will be too late"
>
> This particular one is from the libertarian end (Zerohedge) - the
> people who want capitalism back.  The 'left' tends to agree.  I tend
> to think such 'answers' are right on the assumptions of corruption but
> lack grasp of what being human could be about.  We have little clue
> about such matters as how much work we need to do to sensibly maintain
> the collective and individual freedom.  Instead, we have ideologies
> like work ethic and entrepreneurial innovation.  In more than 2000
> years since the Athenian Democracy we have come up with little that
> prevents wealth buying votes and securing a place at the rarefied free
> table for only a few.
>
> Wittgenstein pointed out that philosophers discuss much the same old
> rot as Plato and hence a turn to how language bewitches us is needed.
> Actually, Plato made a similar point and Francis Bacon's Idols are a
> classic example.  In a way were are bewitched by lies and lying makes
> language almost impenetrable.  We are essentially animal and my own
> guess is that we lack much understanding of this and the extended
> phenotype.  We don't think animal hierarchies are the result of social
> planning and I guess we don't understand much about how our own come
> about.  Communism had a classic contradiction in centralising wealth
> as state capitalism and its Utopian statement that the state would
> wither away.
>
> Rigsy talks fairly often about a happy medium and I often think of
> this as a spreadsheet - though my background with them goes back to
> chemistry and statistical process control rather than finance.  Most
> of us a familiar with simple experiments like heating stuff in a test-
> tube with a Bunsen.  In more complex processes we often want to
> control ten variables to get the outcome we want.  Financial systems
> that leave the one percenters with nearly all the product of effort
> remind me of out of control experiments or production processes.  In
> Africa, farming is often reduced to subsistence only because are
> production that can't be hidden will be stolen.  I suspect
> deregulation (some of which, when one thinks of red tape, must be
> good) is just an example of a system out of control.  We have the
> design wrong.
>
> On 4 Sep, 13:24, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The new middle class in China is starving for luxury goods.
>
> > On Sep 4, 2:54 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yes I agree Neil  the factory that is being run by mindful machines needs
> > > to be paying for the 2900 workers that they displace.. We both know wealth
> > > does not want that.
>
> > > I can not help but think a sub economy is developing that will not be so
> > > rediliy effected by banksters and wealth and the isolation will turn
> > > around. to were wealth will be isolated and ignored by the masses.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:22 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The problem is the business as usual solutions don't and can't work.
> > > > We hear stuff like bringing jobs back - but technology has changed so
> > > > much that what might once ave created 3000 jobs is now a factory run
> > > > by 100 people minding clever machines.  We have been sending over half
> > > > our kids to university for a long time now - even China has a big
> > > > problem with low paid white collar workers with degrees (called the
> > > > Ant People).  The investment in education still seems sound to most,
> > > > but it's not and is diverted from elsewhere.  The world's highest
> > > > value company on market capitalisation makes toys.
>
> > > > My guess is the problem starts with our attitude towards work and
> > > > stealing other people's effort.  I believe this is as mad as, say,
> > > > societies that slaughtered their own teenagers to satisfy fertility
> > > > gods.  The problem is that we need guaranteed work programmes as a
> > > > means to share created wealth and duties to each other AND some means
> > > > through which this isn't some kind of horrible control system.  For
> > > > every answer there are 'Gabby objections' (no doubt I can produce
> > > > more).  About half he youth of Europe is unemployed.  There is work to
> > > > do, but surely trying to turn everyone into a Santa's elf producing
> > > > neater mobile toys can;t help.
>
> > > > I'm led to believe deep confusion in our ideologies almost
> > > > automatically produces non-answers.
>
> > > > On 3 Sep, 20:09, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I have been reading this posting  oddly I am lost, I know there needs to
> > > > be
> > > > > a solution.. But I do not have any ideas..
> > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I sense you've thrown the Ayn Rand baby away. But there are places she
> > > > > > discusses money and how it is an expression of value, how it represents
> > > > > > honest work, and why it deserves to be trashed when it accrues on
> > > > account
> > > > > > of efforts that are corrupt or valueless.
>
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> > > > >   )
> > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> > > > >  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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> > >   )
> > > |_D Allan
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> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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