Re: Mind's Eye The Others

( x 2 + y 2 ) 2 = a 2 ( x 2 - y 2 ) - unless you are planning to meld
with a lemon rather than the alien anthropoid. Mince pies don't have
mince in them here.

On 23 Oct, 20:55, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know, that's an after effect of viewing the world through the
> lemniscate. You train yourself to balance out the past and the future
> to get a clear and sharp view of the present. Not practical for others
> though.
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> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 7:44 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You don't sound out of place here to me Bill.  Gabby often does - but
> > this is why she is such a treasure.  Meaning often dawns long after
> > I've read her prose.
> > My ideal alien will see dark matter - the term 'see' needing some
> > explanation in the absence of light.  A key element in our thinking I
> > rebel against is making the future stuck in the past and present.
> > Turbo evolutionary minced pie!
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> > In origin we are already alien - the elements of life were formed far
> > far away in the Big Bang cycle.  There is something out there with the
> > frequency signature of bacteria.  Living and travelling in space is
> > not practical in our current form - lack of gravity.  I hate
> > travelling in the sense I want to be where I'm going.  I suspect space
> > travellers would have to hibernate or possibly travel as information
> > that takes form at destination.  If this latter is possible they may
> > be walking amongst us.
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> > On 23 Oct, 07:37, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Oddly Bill  I never gave them much thought,,  and since you brought up
> >> the topic,,  I have been doing some thinking on it..
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> >> One if the things i concluded is the film makers are wrong,, for the
> >> simple reason is there is only one God in this universe   (actually
> >> any string there is only one God  and  that is the same God for all
> >> beings,,  I can not conceive of that God having a different set of law
> >> for science or beliefs..
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> >> I can see them carious about us and wanting to poke and prod and we do
> >> the same to alien being that allegedly come her and have be captured
> >> for what ever reason that is how we responded ,,  but basic morality
> >> will be the same..  the main reason for going to space will be
> >> resources  and it till take eons and beyond to even begin to deplete
> >> them,,  tend to think that it is similar else where in the universe..
> >>  they will have essentially the same morality as us ,,  hopefully they
> >> will live to it better.
> >> Allan
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> >> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:06 AM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > I have almost exactly the opposite feeling about any alien species we might
> >> > run into.  I think alien afficionadoes here on Earth are looking for
> >> > Benevolent Space Brothers to bail us out of our collective trainwreck. And
> >> > what we're going to find, once the romance of spaceships has been stripped
> >> > away, is that the aliens will turn out to be people with problems, just like
> >> > us.  No big solutions, no cold fusion,no star trek.  Just some guys who can
> >> > travel a bit, but who wonder when they'll hit pay dirt and what it all
> >> > means.
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> >> > --Bill
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> >> > On 10/22/2012 10:12 AM, archytas wrote:
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> >> >> I have it that passing aliens will say to themselves 'should we stop
> >> >> and help those poor, daft sods out'?  I suspect the reply is a groaned
> >> >> chorus that apes are always more trouble than they are worth.
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> >> >> I think we will find life or fossils on Mars soon - maybe only of
> >> >> bacteria-like creatures.  There are creatures on Earth that 'breathe'
> >> >> sulphur rather than oxygen (or at least metabolise using the stuff -
> >> >> it's very like oxygen if you remember the periodic table).
> >> >> I wonder whether aliens will have a teenage phase - humans are the
> >> >> only such species on Earth.
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> >> >> Current sway in physics is not to Big Bang - but rather a collision of
> >> >> three flat universes, so the potential vastness is 'huge'.  Science
> >> >> fiction is an odd genre and has almost no science in it at all.
> >> >> There's a planet in Alpha Centuri and possibly others - about 4.3
> >> >> light years distant.  One can imagine travel there with improvements
> >> >> in current technology - including our own genetic transformation using
> >> >> features of other life here to allow cryostasis.  There's a algae that
> >> >> cooperate by 'climbing on each others backs' in surf so that the top
> >> >> ones get shot into the air and then jet-stream.
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> >> >> I like the idea of a man (suitably changed) or woman shooting off to
> >> >> 'breed' with an alien race that directly perceives dark matter.
> >> >> Breeding would not be the kind of thing rigsy and I might imagine in a
> >> >> distant alternative past involving theatre, wine, whisky and all the
> >> >> fun of child-rearing and 'regret'.  It might be altogether more
> >> >> adventurous.  Sex, by this time,  might be more directly about
> >> >> knowledge-sharing and a new quest for the Holy Grail.  Any ideas on
> >> >> wooing an intelligent arthropod Bill?
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> >> >> On 22 Oct, 07:10, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >>> lol  Bill me thinks you are preoccupied with aliens...
> >> >>> Of course there are "other" species the universe is to large for it
> >> >>> not to occur..
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> >> >>> it is more of a question of what type of space drive have they
> >> >>> developed..  or have the  figured out how to grasp the very fabric of
> >> >>> space and pull space toward themselves..  or how to travel immense
> >> >>> distances.. fortunately we have not.
> >> >>> Allan
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> >> >>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 12:03 AM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
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> >> >>>> Hey, Illuminated Friends,
> >> >>>> I'm thinking I may have already asked this question in essence, but I'm
> >> >>>> rolling it out again.  It seems that I'm the high woo woo guy in this
> >> >>>> crowd,
> >> >>>> though I freely admit that everyone entertains my high woo woo ideas
> >> >>>> with
> >> >>>> all seriousness and courtesy.
> >> >>>> So this is the thing:  does the final game boil down to just humans and
> >> >>>> God
> >> >>>> --whatever who / that is-- or do you suppose that we share this huge
> >> >>>> universe --a universe positively dripping with poisonous gamma rays--
> >> >>>> with
> >> >>>> alien others?  For my own part, I'm thinking that the cosmos has cooked
> >> >>>> up
> >> >>>> numerous quasi-crustacean species on at least hundreds of thousands of
> >> >>>> worlds in our galaxy alone, with an additional several hundred sentient
> >> >>>> species for good measure. Most human beings, it seems to me, are
> >> >>>> basically
> >> >>>> good as long as they're getting their basic animal requirements met, so
> >> >>>> I
> >> >>>> also think that a few intelligent anthropoids have survived long enough
> >> >>>> to
> >> >>>> have become space-faring peoples. It is beyond me, though, why any such
> >> >>>> people would find us very interesting at this point in our history.
> >> >>>> Another
> >> >>>> thousand years, should we make it that long, though, and I think that
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> "Alien Love Fest" sequence from the end of "Close Encounters of the
> >> >>>> Third
> >> >>>> Kind" will have become reality.
> >> >>>> --Mad William
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> >> >>>>   and boy are my arms tired."
> >> >>>> --
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> >> >>> --
> >> >>>   (
> >> >>>    )
> >> >>> |_D Allan
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> >> >>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> >>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> >> >>>   Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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> >> > --
> >> > "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> >> >  and boy are my arms tired."
>
> >> > --
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> >> --
> >>  (
> >>   )
> >> |_D Allan
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> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> >> I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> >>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
>
> > --

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