Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we have a
tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we wish to
survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel (arrogance).

Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure monotheism is
for everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche in
nature, then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to
say on God than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the
sense of attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to
speak. Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
homogeneity (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major
advancements but I question that we are approaching or even on track
with a 'destination truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with
culture, but shouldn't it be the other way around?!

I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in the
population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in our
equations. Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)

On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far apart.. it is
> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It seems
> though that the creator places people that have a better link and can
> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain the same
> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that common
> ground is available.
>
> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is called
> curiosity.
> Allan
>
> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
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> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdouglas@gmail.com
> <mailto:leerevdouglas@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>
> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of things
> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think about from
> our particular species POV, I question how useful such speculation
> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make is to
> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>
> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
> speculation, given that our current understanding of universal
> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the totality
> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
> speculative conclusions.
>
> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I
> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to suppose
> otherwise also.
>
> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality than carbon
> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' for this
> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>
> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I would have
> to agree with Allan.
>
> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. Trying to
> recompense different religions with this single message is hard. I
> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to claim
> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind for his
> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the job
> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
>
> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I wonder,
> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no idea of a
> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who hold to the
> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know.
>
> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures we share
> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better educated
> guesses.
>
> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting
> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in law.
>
>
>
> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not be
> comparable to us. They would have different values and morals.
> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, no matter
> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones who seeded
> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize our
> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next stage or
> let us destroy ourselves.
>
> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, William L.
> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>
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>
>
>
> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. I know it
> seems I'm
> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're really a stand
> in for,
> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on Facebook
> and recently
> made a status report commenting on the conversation we had
> going on here
> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or might not
> want from
> us. And I was making the point that I made here: that said
> aliens will
> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we are, and
> are probably
> in no position to give us the goods on life's mysteries, or
> even make a
> good cocktail.
>
> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also very bitchy,
> put forth
> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep our heads
> down low,
> because history tells us that when a more technologically
> advanced
> species meets a less developed one, the results are usually
> horrible for
> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to be the
> pattern in
> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage to break the
> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things to do
> than enslave 7
> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. Their
> energy problems,
> I said more or less, will have been solved to such an extent
> that they
> won't have to vampirize us. Matt made it clear that he
> thought I was
> being terrifically naive.
>
> Now, Mat is quickly becoming a sour old queen, but I want to
> know: with
> whom would you agree? Or is there a third answer which I
> haven't
> proposed here?
>
>
> --Bill
>
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> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> and boy are my arms tired."
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