Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

I know you are right Molly,, it is these Gods that are the creating
the largest amount of difficulties in today's world..
Those that are creating the problem don't want to take responsibility
Allan

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level
> where only the fit and corrupt survive. Many fairy tales are imbued with
> mystical thinking, including the bible.
>
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote:
>>
>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never
>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales
>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when
>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have
>> got the key to the kingdom now.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and
>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some
>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I
>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.//
>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature
>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals.
>> >
>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming
>> >> from!
>> >>
>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I
>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for
>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true.
>> >> > However
>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we
>> >> > all
>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will
>> >> > tell.
>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
>> >>
>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts
>> >> >> for
>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>> >>
>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be
>> >> >> > totally
>> >> >> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come..
>> >> >> > those
>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the
>> >> >> > monotheism
>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man
>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
>> >> >> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to
>> >> >> > benefit
>> >> >> > them and their goals.
>> >>
>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in
>> >> >> > nature
>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
>> >> >> > Allan
>> >>
>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we
>> >> >> > > have a
>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we
>> >> >> > > wish
>> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
>> >> >> > > (arrogance).
>> >>
>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure
>> >> >> > > monotheism is
>> >> >> > > for
>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche
>> >> >> > > in
>> >> >> > > nature,
>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to
>> >> >> > > say on
>> >> >> > > God
>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the
>> >> >> > > sense of
>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to
>> >> >> > > speak.
>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
>> >> >> > > homogeneity
>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major
>> >> >> > > advancements
>> >> >> > > but I
>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a
>> >> >> > > 'destination
>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
>> >> >> > > shouldn't it
>> >> >> > > be the other way around?!
>> >>
>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in
>> >> >> > > our
>> >> >> > > equations.
>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>> >>
>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far
>> >> >> > >> apart.. it
>> >> >> > >> is
>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It
>> >> >> > >> seems
>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link
>> >> >> > >> and can
>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain
>> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> > >> same
>> >> >> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that
>> >> >> > >> common
>> >> >> > >> ground is available.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is
>> >> >> > >> called
>> >> >> > >> curiosity.
>> >> >> > >> Allan
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
>> >> >> > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of
>> >> >> > >> things
>> >> >> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think
>> >> >> > >> about from
>> >> >> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such
>> >> >> > >> speculation
>> >> >> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make
>> >> >> > >> is to
>> >> >> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
>> >> >> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of
>> >> >> > >> universal
>> >> >> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
>> >> >> > >> totality
>> >> >> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
>> >> >> > >> speculative conclusions.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I
>> >> >> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to
>> >> >> > >> suppose
>> >> >> > >> otherwise also.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality
>> >> >> > >> than
>> >> >> > >> carbon
>> >> >> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know'
>> >> >> > >> for
>> >> >> > >> this
>> >> >> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I
>> >> >> > >> would
>> >> >> > >> have
>> >> >> > >> to agree with Allan.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God.
>> >> >> > >> Trying
>> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is
>> >> >> > >> hard.
>> >> >> > >> I
>> >> >> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
>> >> >> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to
>> >> >> > >> claim
>> >> >> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
>> >> >> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind
>> >> >> > >> for his
>> >> >> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the
>> >> >> > >> job
>> >> >> > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I
>> >> >> > >> wonder,
>> >> >> > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no
>> >> >> > >> idea of
>> >> >> > >> a
>> >> >> > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who
>> >> >> > >> hold to
>> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures
>> >> >> > >> we
>> >> >> > >> share
>> >> >> > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better
>> >> >> > >> educated
>> >> >> > >> guesses.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting
>> >> >> > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in
>> >> >> > >> law.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey
>> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not
>> >> >> > >> be
>> >> >> > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and
>> >> >> > >> morals.
>> >> >> > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it,
>> >> >> > >> no
>> >> >> > >> matter
>> >> >> > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones
>> >> >> > >> who
>> >> >> > >> seeded
>> >> >> > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize
>> >> >> > >> our
>> >> >> > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next
>> >> >> > >> stage
>> >> >> > >> or
>> >> >> > >> let us destroy ourselves.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2,
>> >> >> > >> William L.
>> >> >> > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys.
>> >> >> > >> I know
>> >> >> > >> it
>> >> >> > >> seems I'm
>> >> >> > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're
>> >> >> > >> really a
>> >> >> > >> stand
>> >> >> > >> in for,
>> >> >> > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on
>> >> >> > >> Facebook
>> >> >> > >> and recently
>> >> >> > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation
>> >> >> > >> we
>> >> >> > >> had
>> >> >> > >> going on here
>> >> >> > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or
>> >> >> > >> might
>> >> >> > >> not
>> >> >> > >> want from
>> >> >> > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here:
>> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> > >> said
>> >> >> > >> aliens will
>> >> >> > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we
>> >> >> > >> are, and
>> >> >> > >> are probably
>> >> >> > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's
>> >> >> > >> mysteries,
>> >> >> > >> or
>> >> >> > >> even make a
>> >> >> > >> good cocktail.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also
>> >> >> > >> very
>> >> >> > >> bitchy,
>> >> >> > >> put forth
>> >> >> > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep
>> >> >> > >> our
>> >> >> > >> heads
>> >> >> > >> down low,
>> >> >> > >> because history tells us that when a more
>> >> >> > >> technologically
>> >> >> > >> advanced
>> >> >> > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are
>> >> >> > >> usually
>> >> >> > >> horrible for
>> >> >> > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to
>> >> >> > >> be the
>> >> >> > >> pattern in
>> >> >> > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage
>> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> > >> break
>> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things
>> >> >> > >> to do
>> >> >> > >> than enslave 7
>> >> >> > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much.
>> >> >> > >> Their
>> >> >> > >> energy problems,
>> >> >> > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such
>> >> >> > >> an
>> >> >> > >> extent
>> >> >> > >> that they
>> >>
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