Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

Gabby's conference suggestion is actually at -
http://www.acla.org/acla2013/propose-a-paper-or-seminar/ - I'll thrash
out an abstract or send them a diagramme of an inter-galactic pulley
system.

On 29 Oct, 19:02, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Golden Way out of deference? Yes, that's probably the meaning
> Molly is trying to convey. Thanks, Allan.
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> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Gabby one of the major deference between me and christianity is I see
> > God as what makes up my being,,  I do not see God as being else where.
> > I am expected to live up to my beliefs not making excuses to justify
> > violating those rules.
> > Allan
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> > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Oh, hi Molly! Yes, it's true, I dared to read the bible on the same
> >> level as fairy tales. My Protestant nature, I guess. Going out,
> >> looking out, speaking out is part of that tradition too. What is it in
> >> your life that makes you being different?
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> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Looking for God outside oneself can lead to magical gang gods at a level
> >>> where only the fit and corrupt survive.  Many fairy tales are imbued with
> >>> mystical thinking, including the bible.
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> >>> On Monday, October 29, 2012 5:20:17 AM UTC-4, gabbydott wrote:
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> >>>> I don't know why these far-away and up-above gods and godesses never
> >>>> really made it into my heart. Maybe the down-to-earth fairy tales
> >>>> resembled my surroundings much more. It gives me the creeps when
> >>>> little street gangstas are referring to Nemesis and believe they have
> >>>> got the key to the kingdom now.
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> >>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:35 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> > I pray to a God everyday but am not sure which one. He is male and
> >>>> > seems helpful. Today he bolstered my strength rearranging some
> >>>> > furniture then rebolstered me moving stuff back as it was. However, I
> >>>> > cooked a hearty meal of steak, potatoes and asparagus for insurance.//
> >>>> > I think the Greek and Roman gods and goddesses represent human nature
> >>>> > and traits- really provide some valuable insights for mere mortals.
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> >>>> > On Oct 28, 12:45 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming
> >>>> >> from!
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> >>>> >> I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
> >>>> >> individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I
> >>>> >> am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for
> >>>> >> that, but would probably only confuse me.
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> >>>> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >> wrote:
> >>>> >> > Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true.
> >>>> >> > However
> >>>> >> > religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief.  As it is my stance that we
> >>>> >> > all
> >>>> >> > hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
> >>>> >> > human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will
> >>>> >> > tell.
> >>>> >> > Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
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> >>>> >> > On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
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> >>>> >> >> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
> >>>> >> >> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
> >>>> >> >> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
> >>>> >> >> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
> >>>> >> >> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
> >>>> >> >> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts
> >>>> >> >> for
> >>>> >> >> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
> >>>> >> >> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
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> >>>> >> >> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> >> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism  atheism holds little
> >>>> >> >> > but
> >>>> >> >> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be
> >>>> >> >> > totally
> >>>> >> >> > different..   Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
> >>>> >> >> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come..
> >>>> >> >> > those
> >>>> >> >> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the
> >>>> >> >> > monotheism
> >>>> >> >> > that keeps some what harmony,,  the problems I see come from man
> >>>> >> >> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
> >>>> >> >> > generations ..  It seems these changes are really designed to
> >>>> >> >> > benefit
> >>>> >> >> > them and their goals.
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> >>>> >> >> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in
> >>>> >> >> > nature
> >>>> >> >> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
> >>>> >> >> > Allan
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> >>>> >> >> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
> >>>> >> >> > wrote:
> >>>> >> >> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we
> >>>> >> >> > > have a
> >>>> >> >> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we
> >>>> >> >> > > wish
> >>>> >> >> > > to
> >>>> >> >> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
> >>>> >> >> > > (arrogance).
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> >>>> >> >> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure
> >>>> >> >> > > monotheism is
> >>>> >> >> > > for
> >>>> >> >> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche
> >>>> >> >> > > in
> >>>> >> >> > > nature,
> >>>> >> >> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to
> >>>> >> >> > > say on
> >>>> >> >> > > God
> >>>> >> >> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the
> >>>> >> >> > > sense of
> >>>> >> >> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to
> >>>> >> >> > > speak.
> >>>> >> >> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
> >>>> >> >> > > homogeneity
> >>>> >> >> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major
> >>>> >> >> > > advancements
> >>>> >> >> > > but I
> >>>> >> >> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a
> >>>> >> >> > > 'destination
> >>>> >> >> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
> >>>> >> >> > > shouldn't it
> >>>> >> >> > > be the other way around?!
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> >>>> >> >> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in
> >>>> >> >> > > the
> >>>> >> >> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in
> >>>> >> >> > > our
> >>>> >> >> > > equations.
> >>>> >> >> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
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> >>>> >> >> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
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> >>>> >> >> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far
> >>>> >> >> > >> apart..  it
> >>>> >> >> > >> is
> >>>> >> >> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up..  It
> >>>> >> >> > >> seems
> >>>> >> >> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link
> >>>> >> >> > >> and can
> >>>> >> >> > >> help straighten the cultures  so there is hope as to maintain
> >>>> >> >> > >> the
> >>>> >> >> > >> same
> >>>> >> >> > >> ideas.  so I think that there us a very real possibility that
> >>>> >> >> > >> common
> >>>> >> >> > >> ground is available.
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> >>>> >> >> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected  it is
> >>>> >> >> > >> called
> >>>> >> >> > >> curiosity.
> >>>> >> >> > >> Allan
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> >>>> >> >> > >> Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
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> >>>> >> >> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> >>>> >> >> > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> >>>> >> >> > >>     Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
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> >>>> >> >> > >>     As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of
> >>>> >> >> > >> things
> >>>> >> >> > >>     about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think
> >>>> >> >> > >> about from
> >>>> >> >> > >>     our particular species POV, I question how useful such
> >>>> >> >> > >> speculation
> >>>> >> >> > >>     would be.  I think the most logical deduction we could make
> >>>> >> >> > >> is to
> >>>> >> >> > >>     say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
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> >>>> >> >> > >>     Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
> >>>> >> >> > >>     speculation, given that our current understanding of
> >>>> >> >> > >> universal
> >>>> >> >> > >>     principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
> >>>> >> >> > >> totality
> >>>> >> >> > >>     of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
> >>>> >> >> > >>     speculative conclusions.
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> >>>> >> >> > >>     Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet?  I
> >>>> >> >> > >>     suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to
> >>>> >> >> > >> suppose
> >>>> >> >> > >>     otherwise also.
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> >>>> >> >> > >>     Would then non carbon life forms form different morality
> >>>> >> >> > >> than
> >>>> >> >> > >> carbon
> >>>> >> >> > >>     based life forms?  Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know'
> >>>> >> >> > >> for
> >>>> >> >> > >> this
> >>>> >> >> > >>     one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
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> >>>> >> >> > >>     As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I
> >>>> >> >> > >> would
> >>>> >> >> > >> have
> >>>> >> >> > >>     to agree with Allan.
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> >>>> >> >> > >>     A large part of my struggle is with the message of God.
> >>>> >> >> > >> Trying
> >>>> >> >> > >> to
> >>>> >> >> > >>     recompense different religions with this single message is
> >>>> >> >> > >> hard.
> >>>> >> >> > >> I
> >>>> >> >> > >>     try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
> >>>> >> >> > >>     the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to
> >>>> >> >> > >> claim
> >>>> >> >> > >>     that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
> >>>> >> >> > >>     the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind
> >>>> >> >> > >> for his
> >>>> >> >> > >>     own nefarious ends(Christianity for example).  So
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