Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

Populations in advanced nations have been corralled into mega cities
and the balance formerly held by small communities has been given up.
Farming has become a collective-corporate affair. Not sure I agree
with the notion of cultural homogeneity as there are too many
divisions remaining. I would start with the early effects of the
Industrial Revolution and modern wars re displacement. One could even
include the breakdown of the nuclear family unit in this approach.

On Oct 27, 10:12 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we have a
> tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we wish to
> survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel (arrogance).
>
> Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure monotheism is
> for everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche in
> nature, then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to
> say on God than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the
> sense of attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to
> speak. Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
> homogeneity (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major
> advancements but I question that we are approaching or even on track
> with a 'destination truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with
> culture, but shouldn't it be the other way around?!
>
> I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in the
> population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in our
> equations. Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>
> On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>
>
>
> > The foundations of most of the religions are not that far apart..  it is
> > the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up..  It seems
> > though that the creator places people that have a better link and can
> > help straighten the cultures  so there is hope as to maintain the same
> > ideas.  so I think that there us a very real possibility that common
> > ground is available.
>
> > poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected  it is called
> > curiosity.
> > Allan
>
> > Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
>
> > On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >     Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>
> >     As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of things
> >     about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think about from
> >     our particular species POV, I question how useful such speculation
> >     would be.  I think the most logical deduction we could make is to
> >     say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>
> >     Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
> >     speculation, given that our current understanding of universal
> >     principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the totality
> >     of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
> >     speculative conclusions.
>
> >     Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet?  I
> >     suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to suppose
> >     otherwise also.
>
> >     Would then non carbon life forms form different morality than carbon
> >     based life forms?  Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' for this
> >     one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>
> >     As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I would have
> >     to agree with Allan.
>
> >     A large part of my struggle is with the message of God.  Trying to
> >     recompense different religions with this single message is hard.  I
> >     try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
> >     the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to claim
> >     that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
> >     the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind for his
> >     own nefarious ends(Christianity for example).  So then the job
> >     becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
>
> >     How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I wonder,
> >     and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no idea of a
> >     God at all?  Or perhaps they may be the only beings who hold to the
> >     truth?  Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know.
>
> >     Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures we share
> >     this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better educated
> >     guesses.
>
> >     Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting
> >     personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in law.
>
> >     On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> >         I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not be
> >         comparable to us. They would have different values and morals.
> >         They would find all life sacred and would respect it, no matter
> >         how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones who seeded
> >         earth in the first place. They would probably recognize our
> >         weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next stage or
> >         let us destroy ourselves.
>
> >         On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, William L.
> >         Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>
> >             All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys.  I know it
> >             seems I'm
> >             always rattlling on about aliens, but they're really a stand
> >             in for,
> >             well, for a lot of things.  Anyway, I've been on Facebook
> >             and recently
> >             made a status report commenting on the conversation we had
> >             going on here
> >             about hypothetical aliens and what they might or might not
> >             want from
> >             us.  And I was making the point that I made here: that said
> >             aliens will
> >             turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we are, and
> >             are probably
> >             in no position to give us the goods on life's mysteries, or
> >             even make a
> >             good cocktail.
>
> >             Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also very bitchy,
> >             put forth
> >             Professor Hawking's notion:  that we'd better keep our heads
> >             down low,
> >             because history tells us that when a more technologically
> >             advanced
> >             species meets a less developed one, the results are usually
> >             horrible for
> >             the latter.  I replied that yes, this does seem to be the
> >             pattern in
> >             Earth history.  But, I went on, races which manage to break the
> >             lightspeed barrier are going to have better things to do
> >             than enslave 7
> >             billion people, or even mistreat them very much. Their
> >             energy problems,
> >             I said more or less, will have been solved to such an extent
> >             that they
> >             won't have to vampirize us.  Matt made it clear that he
> >             thought I was
> >             being terrifically naive.
>
> >             Now, Mat is quickly becoming a sour old queen, but I want to
> >             know: with
> >             whom would you agree?  Or is there a third answer which I
> >             haven't
> >             proposed here?
>
> >             --Bill
>
> >             --
> >             "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> >                and boy are my arms tired."
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