Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

There are many "beliefs" that are false and unreasonable. Humans can
be very gullible.

On Oct 28, 12:20 pm, Lee Douglas <leerevdoug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true.  However
> religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief.  As it is my stance that we all
> hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
> human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will tell.
>  Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
> > failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
> > the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
> > obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
> > systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
> > are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts for
> > a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
> > might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>
> > On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I really do not see much beyond monotheism  atheism holds little but
> > > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be totally
> > > different..   Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
> > > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. those
> > > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the monotheism
> > > that keeps some what harmony,,  the problems I see come from man
> > > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
> > > generations ..  It seems these changes are really designed to benefit
> > > them and their goals.
>
> > > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in nature
> > > and the predictability of science would disappear.
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we have a
> > > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we wish
> > to
> > > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
> > (arrogance).
>
> > > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure monotheism is
> > for
> > > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche in
> > nature,
> > > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to say on
> > God
> > > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the sense of
> > > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to speak.
> > > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
> > homogeneity
> > > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major advancements
> > but I
> > > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a 'destination
> > > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
> > shouldn't it
> > > > be the other way around?!
>
> > > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in the
> > > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in our
> > equations.
> > > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>
> > > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>
> > > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far apart..  it
> > is
> > > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up..  It seems
> > > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link and can
> > > >> help straighten the cultures  so there is hope as to maintain the
> > same
> > > >> ideas.  so I think that there us a very real possibility that common
> > > >> ground is available.
>
> > > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected  it is called
> > > >> curiosity.
> > > >> Allan
>
> > > >> Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
>
> > > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
> > > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > > >>     Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>
> > > >>     As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of things
> > > >>     about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think about from
> > > >>     our particular species POV, I question how useful such
> > speculation
> > > >>     would be.  I think the most logical deduction we could make is to
> > > >>     say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>
> > > >>     Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
> > > >>     speculation, given that our current understanding of universal
> > > >>     principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
> > totality
> > > >>     of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
> > > >>     speculative conclusions.
>
> > > >>     Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet?  I
> > > >>     suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to suppose
> > > >>     otherwise also.
>
> > > >>     Would then non carbon life forms form different morality than
> > carbon
> > > >>     based life forms?  Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' for
> > this
> > > >>     one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>
> > > >>     As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I would
> > have
> > > >>     to agree with Allan.
>
> > > >>     A large part of my struggle is with the message of God.  Trying
> > to
> > > >>     recompense different religions with this single message is hard.
> >  I
> > > >>     try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
> > > >>     the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to claim
> > > >>     that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
> > > >>     the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind for his
> > > >>     own nefarious ends(Christianity for example).  So then the job
> > > >>     becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
>
> > > >>     How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I
> > wonder,
> > > >>     and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no idea of
> > a
> > > >>     God at all?  Or perhaps they may be the only beings who hold to
> > the
> > > >>     truth?  Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know.
>
> > > >>     Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures we
> > share
> > > >>     this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better
> > educated
> > > >>     guesses.
>
> > > >>     Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting
> > > >>     personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in law.
>
> > > >>     On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>
> > > >>         I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not be
> > > >>         comparable to us. They would have different values and
> > morals.
> > > >>         They would find all life sacred and would respect it, no
> > matter
> > > >>         how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones who
> > seeded
> > > >>         earth in the first place. They would probably recognize our
> > > >>         weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next stage
> > or
> > > >>         let us destroy ourselves.
>
> > > >>         On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, William L.
> > > >>         Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>
> > > >>             All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys.  I know
> > it
> > > >>             seems I'm
> > > >>             always rattlling on about aliens, but they're really a
> > stand
> > > >>             in for,
> > > >>             well, for a lot of things.  Anyway, I've been on Facebook
> > > >>             and recently
> > > >>             made a status report commenting on the conversation we
> > had
> > > >>             going on here
> > > >>             about hypothetical aliens and what they might or might
> > not
> > > >>             want from
> > > >>             us.  And I was making the point that I made here: that
> > said
> > > >>             aliens will
> > > >>             turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we are, and
> > > >>             are probably
> > > >>             in no position to give us the goods on life's mysteries,
> > or
> > > >>             even make a
> > > >>             good cocktail.
>
> > > >>             Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also very
> > bitchy,
> > > >>             put forth
> > > >>             Professor Hawking's notion:  that we'd better keep our
> > heads
> > > >>             down low,
> > > >>             because history tells us that when a more technologically
> > > >>             advanced
> > > >>             species meets a less developed one, the results are
> > usually
> > > >>             horrible for
> > > >>             the latter.  I replied that yes, this does seem to be the
> > > >>             pattern in
> > > >>             Earth history.  But, I went on, races which manage to
> > break
> > > >> the
> > > >>             lightspeed barrier are going to have better things to do
> > > >>             than enslave 7
> > > >>             billion people, or even mistreat them very much. Their
> > > >>             energy problems,
> > > >>             I said more or less, will have been solved to such an
> > extent
> > > >>             that they
> > > >>             won't have to vampirize us.  Matt made it clear that he
> > > >>             thought I was
> > > >>             being terrifically naive.
>
> > > >>             Now, Mat is quickly becoming a sour old queen, but I want
> > to
> > > >>             know: with
> > > >>             whom would you agree?  Or is there a third answer which I
> > > >>             haven't
> > > >>             proposed here?
>
> > > >>             --Bill
>
> > > >>             --
> > > >>             "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
> > > >>                and boy are my arms tired."
>
> > > >>     --
>
> > > >> --
>
> > > > --
>
> > > --
> > >  (
> > >   )
> > > |_D Allan
>
> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>
> > >  Full of Hot Air & Ready To
>
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