Re: Mind's Eye Re: Aliens, Slavery and Resources

Ah Lee, by that time you would have forgotten where you were coming from!

I like monotheism, because it supports my view of myself as an
individual. And it allows me to act upon it as such. I am aware that I
am a social being though. Polytheism would be able to account for
that, but would probably only confuse me.

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Lee Douglas <leerevdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well that is true Rigsy, and perhaps your prediction is also true. However
> religious faith is 'unreasonable' belief. As it is my stance that we all
> hold to some of these along the way, then perhaps it is a wholly
> human/sentient being trait and we'll not be rid of it, only time will tell.
> Just one of the reasons I want to reach at least 400 years old.
>
>
> On Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:52:50 PM UTC, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> Really? What about the Italian scientists who face prison time for
>> failing to predict the severity of an earthquake? What harmony under
>> the mantle of monotheism? Science and technology will make god(s)
>> obsolete and society can still be managed through various value
>> systems based on new realities and methods of control. Presently, we
>> are trying to integrate two oppositional positions which accounts for
>> a good amount of absurdity and disappointment. As extinct creatures
>> might have warned us, sentimentality is deadly.
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2:12 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I really do not see much beyond monotheism atheism holds little but
>> > wishful madness, and as for polytheism the universes would be totally
>> > different.. Just doesn't work.. You are right arrogance is a
>> > tremendous problem which I seriously doubt man will over come.. those
>> > that are arrogant have little reason to change.. It is the monotheism
>> > that keeps some what harmony,, the problems I see come from man
>> > changing the laws of God that have been handed down through the
>> > generations .. It seems these changes are really designed to benefit
>> > them and their goals.
>> >
>> > without a singular God there would be no harmony even with in nature
>> > and the predictability of science would disappear.
>> > Allan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:12 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I agree with S. W. Hawking where this is unknown territory, we have a
>> > > tendency to being destructive and careless. We must evolve if we wish
>> > > to
>> > > survive, boldly while trying to work out that Achilles heel
>> > > (arrogance).
>> >
>> > > Allan I was thinking similarly in part, I am not so sure monotheism is
>> > > for
>> > > everyone though. Where people can devise stories to fit a niche in
>> > > nature,
>> > > then further reconcile from that I think there is much less to say on
>> > > God
>> > > than people might, it may even be sacrilege to do so. In the sense of
>> > > attempting authority on the nameless, a belligerent act so to speak.
>> > > Agrarian civilization, centralization of authority, and cultural
>> > > homogeneity
>> > > (dare add monotheism) have allowed us to achieve major advancements
>> > > but I
>> > > question that we are approaching or even on track with a 'destination
>> > > truth'. It seems we are a hollow shell filled with culture, but
>> > > shouldn't it
>> > > be the other way around?!
>> >
>> > > I keep looking, but I'm just not seeing that 10% innovation in the
>> > > population, there is some serious parasitic drag somewhere in our
>> > > equations.
>> > > Sorry so subjective tonight Al. :)
>> >
>> > > On 10/26/2012 1:12 PM, Allan H wrote:
>> >
>> > >> The foundations of most of the religions are not that far apart.. it
>> > >> is
>> > >> the interpretation of them that gets the idea screwed up.. It seems
>> > >> though that the creator places people that have a better link and can
>> > >> help straighten the cultures so there is hope as to maintain the
>> > >> same
>> > >> ideas. so I think that there us a very real possibility that common
>> > >> ground is available.
>> >
>> > >> poking a nd prodding out of curiosity is to be expected it is called
>> > >> curiosity.
>> > >> Allan
>> >
>> > >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>> >
>> > >> On Oct 26, 2012 3:18 PM, "Lee Douglas" <leerevdoug...@gmail.com
>> > >> <mailto:leerevdoug...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >> Ohhh I don't know Andrew.
>> >
>> > >> As I have said we can of course speculate on all sorts of things
>> > >> about alien life, but seeing as we can only ever think about from
>> > >> our particular species POV, I question how useful such
>> > >> speculation
>> > >> would be. I think the most logical deduction we could make is to
>> > >> say 'Well I really don't know', and that is indeed my line.
>> >
>> > >> Heh of course having said that and in the spirit of pure
>> > >> speculation, given that our current understanding of universal
>> > >> principles, and laws of physics etc.. seem to encompass the
>> > >> totality
>> > >> of the universe, I do not think it incorrect to draw some
>> > >> speculative conclusions.
>> >
>> > >> Would alien lifeforms be carbon based as on our planet? I
>> > >> suspect probably yes, but there are reasons enough to suppose
>> > >> otherwise also.
>> >
>> > >> Would then non carbon life forms form different morality than
>> > >> carbon
>> > >> based life forms? Umm well I'm going with 'I don't know' for
>> > >> this
>> > >> one, as I lack an in depth understanding of neurology.
>> >
>> > >> As a theist who believes in a single creator God though I would
>> > >> have
>> > >> to agree with Allan.
>> >
>> > >> A large part of my struggle is with the message of God. Trying
>> > >> to
>> > >> recompense different religions with this single message is hard.
>> > >> I
>> > >> try to imagine that all religions are valid and look for
>> > >> the similarities, I rather suspect as I grow I will have to claim
>> > >> that some are wholly false and man made whilst others are
>> > >> the direct message from God albeit fucked with by mankind for his
>> > >> own nefarious ends(Christianity for example). So then the job
>> > >> becomes separating the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
>> >
>> > >> How would intelligent alien life cope with God's message I
>> > >> wonder,
>> > >> and would they be in the boat as we? Perhaps they have no idea of
>> > >> a
>> > >> God at all? Or perhaps they may be the only beings who hold to
>> > >> the
>> > >> truth? Ahhh once again, I'm forced to say I don't know.
>> >
>> > >> Let us endeavour to understand the other sentient creatures we
>> > >> share
>> > >> this planet with first, then just maybe we can make better
>> > >> educated
>> > >> guesses.
>> >
>> > >> Heh yes you can assume from that I am in favour of granting
>> > >> personhood upon those 'higher order' animals, enshrouded in law.
>> >
>> > >> On Friday, 26 October 2012 10:22:52 UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote:
>> >
>> > >> I agree. Extra terrestrial visitors to earth would not be
>> > >> comparable to us. They would have different values and
>> > >> morals.
>> > >> They would find all life sacred and would respect it, no
>> > >> matter
>> > >> how depraved or primitive. Perhaps they were the ones who
>> > >> seeded
>> > >> earth in the first place. They would probably recognize our
>> > >> weaknesses and would let us either survive to our next stage
>> > >> or
>> > >> let us destroy ourselves.
>> >
>> > >> On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:19:42 PM UTC+2, William L.
>> > >> Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
>> >
>> > >> All right, I just wanted to run this by you guys. I know
>> > >> it
>> > >> seems I'm
>> > >> always rattlling on about aliens, but they're really a
>> > >> stand
>> > >> in for,
>> > >> well, for a lot of things. Anyway, I've been on Facebook
>> > >> and recently
>> > >> made a status report commenting on the conversation we
>> > >> had
>> > >> going on here
>> > >> about hypothetical aliens and what they might or might
>> > >> not
>> > >> want from
>> > >> us. And I was making the point that I made here: that
>> > >> said
>> > >> aliens will
>> > >> turn out to be just as befuddled by it all as we are, and
>> > >> are probably
>> > >> in no position to give us the goods on life's mysteries,
>> > >> or
>> > >> even make a
>> > >> good cocktail.
>> >
>> > >> Now, my friend Matt, who is very smart but also very
>> > >> bitchy,
>> > >> put forth
>> > >> Professor Hawking's notion: that we'd better keep our
>> > >> heads
>> > >> down low,
>> > >> because history tells us that when a more technologically
>> > >> advanced
>> > >> species meets a less developed one, the results are
>> > >> usually
>> > >> horrible for
>> > >> the latter. I replied that yes, this does seem to be the
>> > >> pattern in
>> > >> Earth history. But, I went on, races which manage to
>> > >> break
>> > >> the
>> > >> lightspeed barrier are going to have better things to do
>> > >> than enslave 7
>> > >> billion people, or even mistreat them very much. Their
>> > >> energy problems,
>> > >> I said more or less, will have been solved to such an
>> > >> extent
>> > >> that they
>> > >> won't have to vampirize us. Matt made it clear that he
>> > >> thought I was
>> > >> being terrifically naive.
>> >
>> > >> Now, Mat is quickly becoming a sour old queen, but I want
>> > >> to
>> > >> know: with
>> > >> whom would you agree? Or is there a third answer which I
>> > >> haven't
>> > >> proposed here?
>> >
>> > >> --Bill
>> >
>> > >> --
>> > >> "I just flew in from the Land of the Dead
>> > >> and boy are my arms tired."
>> >
>> > >> --
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>> > >> --
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>> > > --
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>> > --
>> > (
>> > )
>> > |_D Allan
>> >
>> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >
>> > I am a Natural Airgunner -
>> >
>> > Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text -
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