Re: Mind's Eye thought experiments

Well from what I am seeing is amarican prisons are 'hell' and the
other thing is there are a lot of people there on the flimsiness of
evidence and no real proof of the crime... unless you commit a white
collar crime then it is country club time.

Even though religion has really fallen out of date in ways they need
to do is update beliefs ,,, as for rituals and ceremonies it is how
you really build community.. The Banksters and Lawsters really do not
want the churches to have any power as it interfers with they pillage
of society and churches are the one orginzation that can reign them
in in..
Allan

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:26 AM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do humans need rituals and ceremonies in your opinion? I think I
> remember Joseph Campbell saying they were necessary. Are they or have
> we transformed them in the modern era? Were they instituted as a way
> of belonging? Have we lost or gained? Will civil organizations have
> the same power as religious/ethical? Is a civil prison hell, purgatory
> or limbo? Do you know the USA has the highest number of prisons/
> prisoners in the world? (At least a few years ago.)
>
> On Oct 16, 12:45 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Agree entirely, Rigs !
>>
>> The " your-God - my-God " argument ... and "God power" ... ** sigh ***
>>
>> I believe, Jethro Tull says much of what I feel in : *"My God"*
>>
>> People -- what have you done --
>> locked Him in His golden cage.
>> Made Him bend to your religion --
>> Him resurrected from the grave.
>>
>> He is the god of nothing --
>> if that's all that you can see.
>>
>> You are the god of everything --
>> He's inside you and me.
>>
>> So lean upon Him gently
>> and don't call on Him to save you
>> from your social graces
>> and the sins you used to waive.
>> The bloody Church of England --
>> in chains of history --
>> requests your earthly presence at
>> the vicarage for tea.
>>
>> And the graven image you-know-who --
>> with His plastic crucifix --
>> he's got him fixed --
>> confuses me as to who and where and why --
>> as to how he gets his kicks.
>>
>> Confessing to the endless sin --
>> the endless whining sounds.
>> You'll be praying till next Thursday to
>> all the gods that you can count.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:01:47 AM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> > "God powers" might also be a way of saying possession of grace in a
>> > religious sense. Not sure what race has to do with this as we humans
>> > arrive with the same form- what separates us is equity in several
>> > ways. Political structure is a matter of timing and luck plus picking
>> > the right side/group for the most part if you insist humans are
>> > political by nature. I think there are agreed principals of ethical
>> > behavior- universals- murked up with particulars. There is also a
>> > recognition of evil as a force to contend with- internal and external.
>>
>> > On Oct 15, 6:40 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I'll pick up the stone
>> > > (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/reasons-matter-when-i...)
>>
>> > > and argue that I cannot know if your Gods are false or not. Not
>> > > because I am not a religious man, or a black man, or a political man,
>> > > but because I am an individual and thereby only possess restrained
>> > > demonstrable God powers myself.
>>
>> > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > All Gods that religious men speak about, brandish shall we say, are
>> > false.
>>
>> > > > The one distributing those "commandments" included.
>>
>> > > > Which is not what I would say about individuals who take initiatives
>> > to
>> > > > restrict people from moral turpitude and unethical conduct.
>>
>> > > > On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:01:46 AM UTC+5:30, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> > > >> doesn't one of the commandments say something about false gods?
>> > > >> Allan
>>
>> > > >> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 6:15 AM, rigsy03 <rig...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > >> > Thank you, Vam- I hope it is another precious visit.
>>
>> > > >> > Politics has become a "religion", as well. Just substitue a few
>> > words
>> > > >> > in your paragraph. :-)
>>
>> > > >> > On Oct 13, 5:38 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> Rigs, I can't help but think of the presence of a daughter and her
>> > > >> >> family
>> > > >> >> as " Happy Times " with grand-daughters ... noise, play, shout,
>> > > >> >> request,
>> > > >> >> demand and irritate, reminisce and gossip ,,, ! Hope it acrually
>> > turns
>> > > >> >> to
>> > > >> >> be a happy interlude .
>>
>> > > >> >> I have no doubts about severely debilitating and cosmic effects of
>> > > >> >> religions that junk reason and humanity, and demand their
>> > adherents too
>> > > >> >> to
>> > > >> >> remain steadfast with the irrational. An institutional frame of
>> > clerics
>> > > >> >> and
>> > > >> >> clergy for global control is no more than a prison, covered with
>> > very
>> > > >> >> beguiling but false promise of freedom.
>>
>> > > >> >> On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:20:40 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03 wrote:
>>
>> > > >> >> > Not sure if religion, cults, tribal mischief did not have the
>> > same
>> > > >> >> > effect Vam. Consider the countless wars, for instance. But I
>> > think
>> > > >> >> > western man has turn the Age of Machines into a new religion and
>> > one
>> > > >> >> > could draw many parallels- and has, via artists and authors.
>> > Anyway,
>> > > >> >> > after spending way too much time finding a new niche for my
>> > morning
>> > > >> >> > coffee maker before my daughter and two grand-daughters come for
>> > the
>> > > >> >> > Xmas holidays (!), I have certainly racked up the equivalent of
>> > a
>> > > >> >> > novena! BTW, a couple of years ago I noticed my feet were
>> > slightly
>> > > >> >> > stiff in the morning and I worried that my flight to the kitchen
>> > for
>> > > >> >> > a
>> > > >> >> > mug of coffee could be perilous so I bought one of those small
>> > coffee
>> > > >> >> > makers for the upstairs and now include a muffin- just to rev up
>> > the
>> > > >> >> > joints before I seize the day. :-) Anyway, this might be a good
>> > idea
>> > > >> >> > for any who need to warm/rev up. (This is my machine
>> > confession.) On
>> > > >> >> > the other hand, I have been negotiating with the Divine for a
>> > new
>> > > >> >> > lawn/
>> > > >> >> > snow guy and I am on the brink of success! lol
>>
>> > > >> >> > On Oct 11, 6:28 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> > > Bingo ! * sounding the drums *
>>
>> > > >> >> > > But what gives it the merit also renders science blind to much
>> > that
>> > > >> >> > > is
>> > > >> >> > > essential to our humanity, which are abstract and non-material
>> > ...
>> > > >> >> > beauty,
>> > > >> >> > > ethics, morals, truth, compassion, happiness, love, etc.
>>
>> > > >> >> > > Albert Einstein expressed is eloquently ... as have several
>> > others.
>>
>> > > >> >> > > There has been much since science overwhelmed us. But
>> > everytime it
>> > > >> >> > > has
>> > > >> >> > > served to delete a part or measure of our humanity, mankind
>> > has
>> > > >> >> > > struck a
>> > > >> >> > > blow at its own foot !
>>
>> > > >> >> > > On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:46:04 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > I wasn't clear. I was thinking about new ideas and
>> > inventions
>> > > >> >> > > > which
>> > > >> >> > > > made older ideas and inventions obsolete or mere stepping
>> > stones
>> > > >> >> > > > to a
>> > > >> >> > > > greater truth. Science seems more open to changes and
>> > advances
>> > > >> >> > > > for the
>> > > >> >> > > > most part though Darwin had a struggle but that was because
>> > he
>> > > >> >> > > > stepped
>> > > >> >> > > > into religious territory which might mean that we are more
>> > open
>> > > >> >> > > > to
>> > > >> >> > > > change when it does not involve emotions and beliefs versus
>> > > >> >> > > > demonstrable facts.
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > On Oct 9, 9:08 am, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> > > > > It will still be more clever than the rest !
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 5:04:27 PM UTC+5:30, rigsy03
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > Until the next cleverest man/woman comes along! :-)
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > On Oct 8, 5:56 pm, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > " Machines are only as clever as they have been
>> > programmed
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > to
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some
>> > humans
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > for
>> > > >> >> > > > specific
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > acts or purposes ... "
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > If a machine is programmed by the cleverest man,
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > it would not be ' only ' as clever as it has been
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > programmed
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > but it would be more clever than every other man on
>> > the
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > planet !
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:01:02 PM UTC+5:30,
>> > rigsy03
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > And certain ants have also figured out how to enter
>> > the
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > honey
>> > > >> >> > bee
>> > > >> >> > > > as a
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > parasite which has an ominous impact on pollination.
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > Species
>> > > >> >> > pick
>> > > >> >> > > > up
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > their behaviors from their groups- some are more
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > dedicated-
>> > > >> >> > > > patterns
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > can be disrupted.// Anyway, aren't you equating
>> > worth
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > with
>> > > >> >> > money/
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > salary?//Machines are only as clever as they have
>> > been
>> > > >> >> > programmed
>> > > >> >> > > > to
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > be. In some cases that may mean smarter than some
>> > humans
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > for
>> > > >> >> > > > specific
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > acts or purposes but still short of general
>> > intelligence,
>> > > >> >> > insight
>> > > >> >> > > > and
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > adaptation.// Old age is not necessarily "lousey"
>> > except
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > the
>> > > >> >> > final
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > chapter is death and certain goals were not realized
>> > or
>> > > >> >> > possible.
>> > > >> >> > > > Hard
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > work/age does not create arthritis- that is a myth.
>> > The
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > 12
>> > > >> >> > year
>> > > >> >> > > > old
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > across the street has arthritis and started some
>> > exercise
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > for
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > violinists.
>>
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Oct 7, 9:51 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > The archaeological evidence is that such things as
>> > the
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > move
>> > > >> >> > to
>> > > >> >> > > > > > farming
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > from hunter-gathering did not improve the human
>> > lot for
>> > > >> >> > those
>> > > >> >> > > > who
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > cleared and dug sod (arthritis etc. from the
>> > work).
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > The
>> > > >> >> > obvious
>> > > >> >> > > > > > issue
>> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > for present society concerns the
>>
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