Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

I know Rigsy they are just a house of snakes up there,, the english
invasion of Ireland they were trying to blame on the Dutch.. it was
Cromwell's reward by the english crown,,
Still a bunch of snakes just like thier name sakes
Allan

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 3:55 AM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The Protestants of Northern Ireland are also known as Orangemen.
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> On Oct 10, 7:22 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nah orange is the Netherlands,,, comes from the house of orange..
>> and yes the royal family like all royal families are houses of
>> snakes..
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>> Yes dream wizard in place; need regular reports so we can fix the errors lol
>> Allan
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>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:07 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange
>> > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and
>> > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often
>> > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished
>> > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer
>> > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems
>> > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some
>> > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of
>> > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some
>> > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day
>> > dreams.
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>> > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of
>> >> our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage
>> >> that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight
>> >> and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our
>> >> recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not
>> >> surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that
>> >> they share so many processes.
>> >> I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may:
>> >> 1 - have seen a UFO
>> >> 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated
>> >> 3 - be making up the story (no accusations)
>>
>> >> Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin.
>> >> There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people
>> >> who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual
>> >> abuse). My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after
>> >> some nasty stuff. It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew
>> >> off to the stars. Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid
>> >> under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange
>> >> snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove
>> >> puppet. I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch
>> >> shell casing and really broke a floorboard. The glove puppet was my
>> >> old dog (Arthur). I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom
>> >> window with some intent to fly. I have had nightmares ever since at
>> >> this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously
>> >> connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain.
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>> >> Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system. I know of
>> >> no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live.
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>> >> On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > Hi James!
>>
>> >> > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too. You remind
>> >> > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the
>> >> > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration. OF
>> >> > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors.
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>> >> > As for me, I don't really know where I stand. As I noted in one of my
>> >> > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't
>> >> > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary
>> >> > event. But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
>> >> > the Galaxy", I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff,
>> >> > not to put too fine a point on it. Even so, I tend to see those things
>> >> > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are
>> >> > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources
>> >> > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and
>> >> > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the
>> >> > heart, or in the head?"
>>
>> >> > --Bill
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>> >> > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote:
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>> >> > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but
>> >> > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't
>> >> > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as
>> >> > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out
>> >> > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity.
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>> >> > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now,
>> >> > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species
>> >> > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be
>> >> > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need
>> >> > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab
>> >> > > bushmen and keep a low profile?
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>> >> > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species
>> >> > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally
>> >> > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might
>> >> > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach,
>> >> > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other
>> >> > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but
>> >> > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve
>> >> > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and
>> >> > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just
>> >> > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or
>> >> > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh
>>
>> >> > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote:
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>> >> > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
>> >> > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
>> >> > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
>> >> > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
>> >> > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
>> >> > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.
>>
>> >> > >> --Bill
>>
>> >> > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
>> >> > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
>> >> > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
>> >> > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
>> >> > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
>> >> > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
>> >> > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
>> >> > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
>> >> > >>> door.
>> >> > >>> Allan
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>> >> > >>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com>
>> >> > >>> wrote:
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>> >> > >>>> This may be returning to a point in the conversation which we have
>> >> > >>>> long
>> >> > >>>> since passed, but I'm still interested in the UFO thing. I've talked a
>> >> > >>>> little about my one underwhelming UFO encounter, but I'm still
>> >> > >>>> interested in
>> >> > >>>> some of the UFO baggage which has yet gone unpacked. In particular,
>> >> > >>>> I'm
>> >> > >>>> interested in the alien abduction meme. What are these people dealing
>> >> > >>>> with?
>> >> > >>>> They say, among other things, that aliens --Greys, Reptilians, and
>> >> > >>>> Nordics
>> >> > >>>> among other varieties-- are breeding them with alien races to create
>> >> > >>>> hybrids. Well. It hardly seems possible, as any offworld species,
>> >> > >>>> having
>> >> > >>>> evolved many light years away would hardly be compatible with Earth
>> >> > >>>> reproductive biology. And yet, I feel there's something compelling in
>> >> > >>>> these
>> >> > >>>> accounts. Debunkers and critics claim these are sophisticated sexual
>> >> > >>>> fantasies, but I really don't think so. Most abduction experiencers
>> >> > >>>> ("experiencers")report reactions of feeling raped rather than
>> >> > >>>> ennobled by
>> >> > >>>> these experiences. Betty and Barney Hill, probably the original
>> >> > >>>> parents of
>> >> > >>>> the modern abduction account, were recorded during their
>> >> > >>>> post-abduction
>> >> > >>>> therapy sessions and can be heard screaming in terror. Jacques Valee,
>> >> > >>>> whom I have referred to in the opening message of this thread,
>> >> > >>>> compares this
>> >> > >>>> abduction story to medieval accounts of abductions by fairies.
>>
>> >> > >>>> I really don't think guys in space ships are raping earthfolk, but
>> >> > >>>> something
>> >> > >>>> unusual is going on, and I would like to know, or at least
>> >> > >>>> speculate, on
>> >> > >>>> what exactly is going on. Are these Space Age religious experiences,
>> >> > >>>> dressed
>> >> > >>>> up in Star Trek costume?
>>
>> >> > >>>> --Bill
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>> >> > >>>> On 10/8/2012 4:05 AM, rigsy03 wrote:
>> >> > >>>>> There is an area of the brain that stores certain memories. Also, I
>> >> > >>>>> think memories can be provoked through associations (Proust).But this
>> >> > >>>>> is an individual journey- not an explanation of our existence as a
>> >> > >>>>> species. Since we are derived from fish I am hoping I was once a wily
>> >> > >>>>> rainbow trout.:-) Anyway- I think memory makes sense of the past.
>> >> > >>>>> Beliefs are wishful thoughts that will reward our behavior until
>> >> > >>>>> proven otherwise- in this life and after death- but it does not
>> >> > >>>>> successfully explain what has happened to all those anonymous
>> >> > >>>>> millions.
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>> >> > >>>>> On Oct 7, 5:01 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>> I believe in the possibility of something god-like. I doubt this has
>> >> > >>>>>> much to do with meeting it second left past the burning bush. Even
>> >> > >>>>>> the prophet we dare not mention seems to have been created in
>> >> > >>>>>> retro to
>> >> > >>>>>> control the new empire. Origin is endlessly deferred or nachtraglich
>> >> > >>>>>> and it is interesting we don't carry the memories on our journey and
>> >> > >>>>>> yet respond to fellowship and wider demands of the extended
>> >> > >>>>>> phenotype. Memory, false or otherwise, seems to be about making
>> >> > >>>>>> sense
>> >> > >>>>>> of the future. UFOs may be about of concerns, as in religion, as to
>> >> > >>>>>> why we are here. I am protestant by inclination, finding organised
>> >> > >>>>>> religion a control fraud. It could be our memories are unpacking
>> >> > >>>>>> when
>> >> > >>>>>> our god-spots do their thing. It's interesting in general that we
>> >> > >>>>>> see
>> >> > >>>>>> things that don't exist like demons, UFOs and visions.
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>> >> > >>>>>> On 4 Oct, 16:34, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > >>>>>>> I do not think the schools are looking for the brightest but rather
>> >> > >>>>>>> they
>> >> > >>>>>>> are deliberately dumbing students down. Guess it is to keep them
>> >> > >>>>>>> from
>> >> > >>>>>>> learning to think for themselves.
>> >> > >>>>>>> Allan
>> >> > >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 4:37 PM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > >>>>>>>> Not many are willing to put up with the chaos and violence of
>> >> > >>>>>>>> public
>> >> > >>>>>>>> schools plus those who can afford it are thinking of the future
>> >> > >>>>>>>> contacts and colleges they want for their children. Parents are
>> >> > >>>>>>>> sick
>> >> > >>>>>>>> of the cultural garbage.
>> >> > >>>>>>>> On Oct
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