Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

I believe telepathy is a form of being able to anticipate what someone
else is thinking and feeling. Speech liberates.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:16 PM, rigsy03 <rigsy03@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Speech has been given to man to hide his thoughts." R.P. Malagrida
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> On Oct 1, 12:02 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Bill, I noticed that your screen name on the group website is rather
>> long. It reads: William L. Houts William L. Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts.
>> I was wondering if this was your intention.
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>> Maybe yes. Just so much, I do differentiate between heaven and afterlifeand their individual usability for corruption. Both terms are somehow
>> related to the future, but the access is different. Sorry, I forgot to
>> introduce myself. My name is Gabby (short for Gabriele), I am a Protestant,
>> my first language is German, and I believe in God. I like to listen to
>> other people's stories which is why I have learned to keep my own very
>> short. Nice meeting you. :)
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>> On Friday, September 28, 2012 7:17:08 AM UTC+2, William L. Houts William L.
>> Houts Lukaeon William L. Houts wrote:
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>> > I wonder if humans do dream of uncorrupted worlds, in general. You'd
>> > think that would be universal, and it does seem to be borne out by
>> > Western mythologies, with some exceptions. For instance, the Greeks had
>> > Olympus, but except for Heracles no one got to go there; everyone else
>> > went to Hades, which was gloomy and boring if you were lucky enough to
>> > land there in general population, and terrifying if the gods put you in
>> > Tartarus. And the Romans didn't seem to place faith in any sort of
>> > afterlife at all, which is one of the main reasons whyChristianity sold
>> > like hotcakes. Eastern religions such as Buddhism had various hells and
>> > heavens, but they were sort of besides the point: your karma is / was
>> > supposed to boil down to nothing and liberate you from the Wheel of
>> > Rebirth, which was supposed to put you in Nirvana, which was less a
>> > Heaven than it was a Nowhere. And Taoism doesn't have much to say about
>> > heavenly afterworlds; its whole point is to make this world more just
>> > and balanced and leaves heavens to the individual to figure out.
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>> > But as to your question of whether humans long for uncorrupted worlds, I
>> > think that besides the Abrahamic religions noone takes them very
>> > seriously. And I think they've got a point: I mean, if you're taking
>> > your present existence at all seriously, then just what is an afterlife
>> > supposed to be about? Are we supposed to be eating bonbons all day and
>> > living in some version of American luxury? I'd like to believe in
>> > Heaven --which for me looks like a kind of liberal college town, with
>> > libraries and funky old cinema houses-- but all of that seems kind of
>> > empty if there's no gravitas, no seriousness. Without death, without a
>> > final marker which howls at us, Do what you must do NOW and die knowing
>> > that you've used your life well--without that, I think heaven would
>> > become kind of slouchy and boring, or worse. Unless, of course, what's
>> > waiting for us on the other side is something superrational but
>> > beautiful, like being absorbed into the godhead, if such there be.
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>> > So in answer to your question, I think we do dream of uncorrupt worlds,
>> > but if we examine them too closely, they tend to be bustable soap
>> > bubbles. And maybe I lack imagination, but I wonder, how could it be any
>> > other way? Frankly, I'd like to be told how. I sound sensible about all
>> > of this if a little pessimistic, but in reality I'm a scared ex-Catholic
>> > who is terrified of death and wants to solve the Big Question before
>> > they're performing Last Rites on his sorry ass.
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>> > --Bill
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>> > On 9/27/2012 7:20 PM, rigsy03 wrote:
>> > > I wonder where you put the mythological and religious other-worldlies-
>> > > from gods to guardian angels, etc.? Or the construct of Dante's
>> > > "Divine Comedy", for instance. Do humans long for uncorrupted worlds?
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>> > > On Sep 27, 6:23 pm, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> I'm with the pragmatists on the question of intelligent alien species.
>> > >> Many scientists who speculate on this sort of thing --though there
>> > >> really aren't that many of them-- say that such species wouldn't
>> > >> resemble anything so comforting as a humanoid physiology, but I think
>> > >> they're partly mistaken. Surely there would be surprises in the way
>> > >> nature cooks up life on other planets with radically different
>> > >> chemistries than our dear old Mama Earth. But I think there's reason
>> > to
>> > >> suppose that many alien species would resemble us. After all, any
>> > >> species we might imagine has to cope with gravity as it evolves. So
>> > >> they're much more likely to evolve some form of locomotion which
>> > >> involves two, four or six pedal extremities (as Fats Waller calls
>> > them)
>> > >> rather than three or five: even-numbered legs are less wobbly and
>> > more
>> > >> amenable to balanced movement which consumes fewer calories. . Also,
>> > >> sense organs like eyes and ears are likely to be located in or close
>> > to
>> > >> a head, as there is survival value in having sense organs located
>> > close
>> > >> to a brain, or whatever such species might use for brains. Finally,
>> > >> everyone in the cosmos requires energy to get going, so they're either
>> > >> going to evolve photosynthesis and take their energy directly from
>> > their
>> > >> sun or suns, or they're going to take their sunbeams indirectly by
>> > >> consuming something lower in the food chain. I'm sure there are lots
>> > of
>> > >> evolution pathways I'm leaving out, seeing as I'm a curious poetrather
>> > >> than a serious scientist type of guy, but I think these notions are,
>> > as
>> > >> Allan named other ideas of mine, sensible provisos.
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>> > >> PS. I left out centipedes and millipedes with their scores of legs,
>> > but
>> > >> I think y'all's get what I'm saying here.
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>> > >> --Bill
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>> > >> On 9/27/2012 3:57 PM, archytas wrote:
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>> > >>> I haven't seen any UFOs and tend not to be much interested in people
>> > >>> who claim to have - at least without Bill's sensible provisos. The
>> > >>> speed of thought as a brain process is slower than light-speed - but
>> > >>> then I'm basically a tropical fish realist. I'd have a bet that no
>> > >>> one in this group would really have much of a definition of light-
>> > >>> speed and the Ricel curvature tensor, Euler Langrangian and the rest
>> > >>> of Einstein's field equations. I mean no offence and don't do much
>> > of
>> > >>> this science myself.
>> > >>> If you point out to a physicist that the people from the future who
>> > >>> have invented the time machine are in extraordinarily short supply in
>> > >>> our present he may come up with some mathematical guff on the shape
>> > of
>> > >>> the universe that explains this or makes time travel only possible to
>> > >>> the future. I have seen demons - plodding back to camp after a
>> > week's
>> > >>> endurance exercise with no food for two days I was visually convinced
>> > >>> the sentries were vampires but still asked them where the Naffi was.
>> > >>> My guess is that we travel through space as primitive life-forms with
>> > >>> evolution built-in and waiting to unfold. We may thus have come from
>> > >>> a much more advanced civilisation than ours bound by the speed of
>> > >>> light, capable of the biological engineering but not space-flightmuch
>> > >>> more advanced than our own. Calculations give 28 years as the time to
>> > >>> reach the edge of the known universe - but this is the time insidethe
>> > >>> ship accelerating to near light speed fairly slowly. Space is not
>> > >>> friction free and it's doubtful we or our instruments could take the
>> > >>> radiation of light-speed flight.
>> > >>> I rather hope there are some nice, genuinely civilised aliens
>> > thinking
>> > >>> of coming here. In my speculation, intelligent life tends to worry
>> > >>> about food chains led by apes as these have been notoriously war-like.
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>> > >>> I'm into bees and ants rather than UFOs at the moment. Bees use
>> > >>> 'pharma' to combat fungal infections. Ants take slaves - killing the
>> > >>> adults of another species and taking the larvae. These slaves then
>> > >>> raise the slaver brood. Interestingly, the ant slaves rebel and kill
>> > >>> the pupae of their masters - an act that does not favour the
>> > >>> individuals a they will die, but does seem to be altruistic in favour
>> > >>> of other colonies of the enslaved species. I mention this to suggest
>> > >>> science is not a human invention, just something in evolution we are
>> > >>> expanding.
>> > >>> UFOs remind me of religion generally - people seem to bond around
>> > >>> ludic claims about golden salamanders and what cannot be proved. I
>> > >>> guess we will find life or past life-sign on Mars. Salvation may
>> > come
>> > >>> from a mother-ship, but my own feeling is that our inability to
>> > >>> develop science as we could is a more important thought experiment.
>> > >>> In respect of this problem I recommend 'Bad Pharma' by Ben
>> > >>> Goldacre, He finds a �600 billion industry in which more money
>> > is
>> > >>> spent on marketing than on research and development, where the
>> > results
>> > >>> of clinical trials of new drugs are massaged, and in which regulators
>> > >>> fail to regulate. Papers supposedly by respected academics are
>> > >>> ghostwritten by drug companies, and patients' pressure groups are
>> > >>> covertly sponsored by pill manufacturers.
>> > >>> I can't for the life of me work out why we aren't directing our
>> > >>> collective towards tapping into the asteroid belt and beyond instead
>> > >>> of ADMASS.
>> > >>> On 24 Sep, 20:15, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>> I'm placing my bet on thoughtspeed. It's a great concept and it's a
>> > >>>> great word. How could I do any better than that?
>> > >>>> --Bill
>> > >>>> On 9/24/2012 7:17 AM, Don Johnson wrote:
>> > >>>>> I agree with Allan the distance challenge is daunting. In an endless
>> > >>>>> universe there's also no doubt in my mind there are other
>> > inhabitable
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