Re: Mind's Eye UFO's: Fact or Fantasy?

Maybe even black and tan snakes? Growing up, I heard a lot of jibes
about other nationalities and religions but today our skin has been
thinned.

On Oct 12, 1:39 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The literature is legion and intriguingly hard to access.  This is the
> abstract of one paper:
>
> People sometimes fantasize entire complex scenarios and later define
> these experiences as memories of actual events rather than as
> imaginings. This article examines research associated with three such
> phenomena: past-life experiences, UFO alien contact and abduction, and
> memory reports of childhood ritual Satanic abuse. In each case,
> elicitation of the fantasy events is frequently associated with
> hypnotic procedures and structured interviews which provide strong and
> repeated demands for the requisite experiences, and which then
> legitimate the experiences as "real memories." Research associated
> with these phenomena supports the hypothesis that recall is
> reconstructive and organized in terms of current expectations and
> beliefs.
>
> There were green snakes in my dreams too (the other side rigs!).  The
> Dutch were the 'Germans' of the 16th and 17th centuries Allan - as in
> the phrase 'the Devil shits Dutchmen'.  The population of Ireland was
> once 12 million.  My own solution to the troubles was to resettle the
> Jews or Hong Kong Chinese in the place.  One old meat-packing town in
> the South is full of Brazilians.
>
> On 12 Oct, 19:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Maths research in the prestigious Proceedings of the Royal Society A -
> > 'Einstein's special relativity beyond the speed of light'. The
> > formulas extend special relativity to a situation where the relative
> > velocity can be infinite, and can be used to describe motion at speeds
> > faster than light.
> > The paper doesn't try and explain how this could be achieved, just how
> > equations of motion might operate in such regimes. Reference:James M.
> > Hill and Barry J. Cox, Einstein's special relativity beyond the speed
> > of light, Proceedings of the Royal Society A, 2012, DOI: 10.1098/rspa.
> > 2012.0340
>
> > Academic experience can be debilitating in the sense one always finds
> > huge amounts of stuff has already been said and published on almost
> > anything one might turn one's attention to.  Students rarely access
> > this material and lots of it is puerile.  It's hard to encourage
> > thinking when one knows the ideas are mostly all already in print.
> > The question for me is how we can get into different debate and feel
> > our lives and thoughts have value.  The Kantian sublime contains
> > something of the 'of mice and men' and the possibility it's not all
> > farce.
>
> > Thanks for the compliment rigsy.  I think many lives would be more
> > interesting if we could free ourselves of all the dull 'beautiful
> > lies' and dream more.  I doubt one can approach any subject with full
> > foundational knowledge now - indeed some science is so complex the
> > only things that 'understand' it are the machines doing it.  Their
> > will be academic work on UFOs.  I'll have a quick look and report
> > back.
>
> > Posted at 07:20 AM | Permalink
>
> > On 10 Oct, 13:07, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > What interesting dreams from an interesting person. Could orange
> > > snakes represent Northern Ireland? I usually dream about people and
> > > interactions- mostly people I really know/have known and am often
> > > surprised that they made it into my dreams. Maybe it's unfinished
> > > business? I think some part of dreams is like cleaning up the computer
> > > via the "dream wizard"- but what do I know?//Re UFO's, etc.- it seems
> > > to be humans have a universal hunger for alternative worlds of some
> > > sort whether myth, religion or outer space due primarily because of
> > > their disappointments and frustrations with real life. And some
> > > worldly ambitions/cultures also fill this need via false hopes and day
> > > dreams.
>
> > > On Oct 9, 2:50 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Every time we think about a possible future, we tear up the pages of
> > > > our autobiographies and stitch together the fragments into a montage
> > > > that represents the new scenario. This process is the key to foresight
> > > > and ingenuity, but it comes at the cost of accuracy, as our
> > > > recollections become frayed and shuffled along the way. It's not
> > > > surprising that we confuse memories and imagination, considering that
> > > > they share so many processes.
> > > > I'm sure from the way Bill handles words he knows he may:
> > > > 1 - have seen a UFO
> > > > 2 - dreamed he was seeing a UFO or hallucinated
> > > > 3 - be making up the story (no accusations)
>
> > > > Trauma is very difficult to pin to actual experience and origin.
> > > > There are real victims who tell stories that aren't true and people
> > > > who were never victims who claim to be (as in the 'experts' or ritual
> > > > abuse).  My own 'UFO' was in a time of dreams when in therapy after
> > > > some nasty stuff.  It started as a swan, became Concorde and then flew
> > > > off to the stars.  Other dreams included me killing a tiger (that slid
> > > > under my bedroom door cartoon-style) and walking up river with orange
> > > > snakes passing me by until one turned to bite me becoming a glove
> > > > puppet.  I killed the tiger with an ashtray made from an eight-inch
> > > > shell casing and really broke a floorboard.  The glove puppet was my
> > > > old dog (Arthur).  I was saved by my father having opened my bedroom
> > > > window with some intent to fly.  I have had nightmares ever since at
> > > > this time of year - the images are always fantastic and not obviously
> > > > connected to the real lousy experience I can rationally explain.
>
> > > > Voyager is a UFO now having finally left the solar system.  I know of
> > > > no reports in which the aliens show us a better world and way to live.
>
> > > > On 9 Oct, 14:54, William L Houts <luka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hi James!
>
> > > > > You know, I can really see from the psychology angle, too.  You remind
> > > > > me that Carl Jung was very interested in the phenomenon, and saw the
> > > > > appearance of UFO's as emblematic of wholeness and integration.  OF
> > > > > course, he hadn't seen abduction folks waking up with night terrors.
>
> > > > > As for me, I don't really know where I stand.  As I noted in one of my
> > > > > original posts, I have actually seen a flying saucer, though it didn't
> > > > > strike me then and still doesn't strike me now as a very extraordinary
> > > > > event.  But then, like Zaphod Beelebrox of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to
> > > > > the Galaxy",  I've seen some weird stuff --some weird, paranormal stuff,
> > > > > not to put too fine a point on it.  Even so, I tend to see those things
> > > > > as a kind of sideshow. The real stuff concerns questions like, "How are
> > > > > we going to feed all these people?", "How should the world's resources
> > > > > be accounted for and distributed in a world facing gross pollution and
> > > > > incresingly scarce resources?", and finally "Where is fancy bred? In the
> > > > > heart, or in the head?"
>
> > > > > --Bill
>
> > > > > On 10/8/2012 7:32 PM, James wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hello Bill, welcome to the group. Don't take me with any authority but
> > > > > > I lean toward the psychology opinion on this, but then I haven't
> > > > > > specifically had any reason to categorize any of my own experiences as
> > > > > > an 'encounter', 'abduction' or cross-pollination attempt. Purely out
> > > > > > of the privilege of ignorance on my part, for brevity.
>
> > > > > > We've been experimenting with genetic manipulation for some time now,
> > > > > > albeit in a rudimentary fashion mostly. I imagine that a species
> > > > > > advanced enough for interstellar or dimensional travel would be
> > > > > > further ahead in that area too. The hard part is imagining what need
> > > > > > there would be, why bother to sample more than a few, why not grab
> > > > > > bushmen and keep a low profile?
>
> > > > > > If we ignore the technology assumption and replace it with a species
> > > > > > that evolved radically different from us and quickly or fundamentally
> > > > > > relied on things we can't imagine our tech doing yet then there might
> > > > > > be some value in what we would see as a devolutionary approach,
> > > > > > whereas the species gains immense knowledge by merging with other
> > > > > > advanced species (or a sampling, not necessarily most advanced but
> > > > > > they would seem most viable), that otherwise they couldn't achieve
> > > > > > naturally. From the merge can be derived valuable adaptations and
> > > > > > characteristics which they could incubate as long as needed or just
> > > > > > pack up and move on while building an interstellar genetic library. Or
> > > > > > they might just be preparing us for the overlord species to arrive. heh
>
> > > > > > On 10/8/2012 3:54 PM, William L Houts wrote:
>
> > > > > >> Heh, I sort of expected that the topics discussed here are somewhat more
> > > > > >> serious than alien abductions and the rest of the fare which gets served
> > > > > >> on the George Noory radio show. I can do that, but for now I guess I'll
> > > > > >> watch from the sidelines until there's something I can really swat with
> > > > > >> my conversational tennis raquet. In the meantime, here's sending
> > > > > >> beneficent zen rays to you, my lightning-smart Net friends.
>
> > > > > >> --Bill
>
> > > > > >> On 10/8/2012 11:16 AM, Allan H wrote:
> > > > > >>> LOL Bill you need to be talking to an old friend of mine Dad
> > > > > >>> Woodruff he is the fanatic that knows all about alien abductions..
> > > > > >>> last I heard is was in the Livingston Montana area,, He was semi
> > > > > >>> involved with the church universal triumphant '' or at least his
> > > > > >>> friends are. Dan has a very brilliant mind,, sometimes stretching the
> > > > > >>> edge.. and can react very paranoid.. If you find him tell him I said
> > > > > >>> hi and luud sends her greetings too.. that should get you in the
> > > > > >>> door.
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