Re: Mind's Eye Global Warming Is Worse Than We Think

Water might be the problem on Malta Allan and maybe getting the
verticals cool enough. Maybe the UK and the Netherlands? We have
tidal and wind power and could frack gas as an interim fuel and have
plenty of the necessary foreign languages to export the technologies
developed.

I have no doubt now that we can afford decent livings for all - it is
now just a matter of organisation, including organising ourselves not
to continue the planet burning that would come with such expansion in
current monopoly and monopsony.

On 22 Nov, 18:43, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay Neil
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> Actually there is one place this could be pulled off realistically,,
> and it involves and entire nation,  which I personally think is cool,,
>  anything over 5 vertical green houses and it would become an
> exporting nation for food,, could possible supply everything..
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> handled right it actually could become a well the sky is the limit
> with in say twenty five years.
> And it is within the EU..  if you look carefully at Malta you will see
> just what I mean..
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> > Imagine a village creating all its own energy from wind (etc), with
> > its own fuel plant, vertical farms, connected in a wider network of
> > villages with hospitals, university, schools (however we'd change
> > them) - this would be in a world without transnational oil companies
> > and potentially without transnationals generally.  I suspect the
> > climate change debate is not about carbon dioxide.  And that we need
> > to remember we get very serious about mad issues like women bishops.
> > I have little doubt, given the abuse male clergy have perpetrated over
> > the centuries, that I am prepared to save the victims by distracting a
> > female vicar myself!
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> > On 22 Nov, 07:53, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> yeah   very much so.
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> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:48 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I agree Allan - rather like our bodies in heating up to combat
> >> > infection!
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> >> > On 21 Nov, 21:20, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> The earth has a habit of taking care of itself.
> >> >> Allan
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> >> >> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:27 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > From New Scientist this week:
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> >> >> > "EMISSIONS are still way too high to stop dangerous climate change,
> >> >> > warns a new report from the United Nations Environment Programme
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> >> >> > To stop the Earth warming more than 2 °C above preindustrial levels,
> >> >> > global emissions must peak at 44 gigatonnes in 2020 and then fall.
> >> >> > However, the report says that 2020 emissions are likely to be between
> >> >> > 8 to 13 gigatonnes higher. This range is calculated on how well or not
> >> >> > countries deliver on their pledges to cut emissions. So in the best-
> >> >> > case scenario, where everyone meets their targets, emissions are still
> >> >> > 8 Gt too high.
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> >> >> > This "emissions gap" has grown: first estimates by UNEP in 2010 put it
> >> >> > at between 5 and 9 Gt.
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> >> >> > Unless drastic action is taken soon, we are likely to see a 4 °C rise
> >> >> > this century, warns Simon Anderson at the International Institute for
> >> >> > Environment and Development in Edinburgh, UK.
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> >> >> > A report from the World Bank, also published this week, paints a stark
> >> >> > picture of a 4 °C warmer world riven by severe heatwaves, floods and
> >> >> > droughts. "It will be absolutely catastrophic for certain parts of the
> >> >> > world," Anderson says.
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> >> >> > By delaying emissions cuts, the world is simply deciding to pay more
> >> >> > for them later, he says."
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> >> >> > I remain to be convinced of the carbon dioxide argument.  Of more
> >> >> > concern are reports such as those on the speed with which the former
> >> >> > lush territory now the Sahara Desert changed - possibly only decades
> >> >> > and certainly only a few hundred years.  Climate change is obviously
> >> >> > part of earth history  The question is why we are so unprepared.
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> >> >> --
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> >> >> |_D Allan
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> >> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> >> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> >> >>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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> >> > --
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> >> --
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> >>   )
> >> |_D Allan
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> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> >>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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> > --
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.

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