Re: Mind's Eye Re: Brain Transfers

oddly when I have had 1 to 1 with politicians I actually have seen
it do some good.. but that is very few.. ah the soul is far more
eternal than genes but genes have some interesting aspects.. as for
the islamic faith I am still puzzling that one out.. there is some
interesting qualities but more of it makeslittle sense and seems to be
a group of contridictions.
Allan

On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:35 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> You got that right Allan. There's a big literature on the eternal.
> One can link some Islamic scholarship to Popper's 'world three' and
> wonder on the fact that our genes are more eternal than we are as
> humans. E = mc2 (at least as modified by momentum) is kind of eternal
> (world three wise). These guys are looking at 'shape', 'timing' and
> patterns in an attempt to build without needing all reductionist
> detail. I have long wondered whether our purpose is to build
> something else.
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> On 4 Nov, 07:59, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> well there are a lot of brainless people running around in politics
>> both sides of the ocean..
>> but it is interesting
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>> On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 10:11 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I don't know about this case Vam - but generally in such cases there
>> > is a brain squashed to lower regions than expected.
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>> > On 3 Nov, 04:15, Vam <atewari2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> "...human brains and the minds that emerge from them have
>> >> allowed us to create culture and civilisation..."
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>> >> Do you know of anencephaly - a condition when a baby is born with only a
>> >> brain stem, but without a brain !
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>> >> Read up this story about Nickolas Coke of Colorado who lived without a
>> >> brain for 3 years and died recently. The boy survived without special
>> >> medical equipment and his grandmother recalls him *laughing *as he *played*among pumpkins.
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>> >>http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/Scripting/ArticleWin.asp?From=...
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>> >> Is this consistent with the primacy you hold the brain in ?
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>> >> On Saturday, November 3, 2012 6:53:03 AM UTC+5:30, archytas wrote:
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>> >> > The world around us is now full of knowledge (at least if we can
>> >> > operate disinformation filters). Potentially, we could see in 16
>> >> > colours with some gene-splicing from a prawn and even 'see' dark
>> >> > matter with something similar with an alien life-form evolved to
>> >> > detect thermodynamic radiation rather than light. There are sharks
>> >> > off Greenland that live blind (due to an infection) that have
>> >> > developed other perception.
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>> >> > Scientists are working on transferring brains to non-brain
>> >> > substrates. human brains and the minds that emerge from them have
>> >> > allowed us to create culture and civilisation. We humans have always
>> >> > augmented ourselves in the face of challenges, creating artefacts from
>> >> > clothing to cellphones to cochlear implants. As ever, human survival
>> >> > will depend on us being ever more adaptable.
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>> >> > Fortunately, we may be on the brink of fundamentally surpassing our
>> >> > limits: there is no reason why the complex information processing at
>> >> > the core of human experience should continue to be unique to one
>> >> > biological implementation. Moving the functions of minds from brains
>> >> > to other types of materials, other substrates, to become substrate-
>> >> > independent minds (SIMs), would be an extraordinary adaptation.
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>> >> > At a survival level, a SIM could be embodied in a variety of ways, and
>> >> > so would perhaps be better able to survive potential societal
>> >> > collapse. At a human level, the goal would be continued existence of
>> >> > personality, individual characteristics, a manner of experiencing and
>> >> > a personal way of processing experiences. Continuity of self could be
>> >> > assured, despite minds having novel embodiments. This could even be
>> >> > 'life after death'.
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>> >> > Most SIM work is based on "whole brain emulation". Researchers are
>> >> > trying to create a synthetic brain by reverse-engineering the
>> >> > mammalian brain down to the molecular level, drawing on statistical
>> >> > data from many animals. Such a vast undertaking has to be broken down
>> >> > into much smaller pieces: there are many things we need to know. For
>> >> > example, can we get good enough resolution of neurons - individual
>> >> > electrically spiking neurons, morphologically detailed neurons, or the
>> >> > molecular processes going on in synapses - to make emulation truly
>> >> > feasible. We aretrying to build artificial neural cells, initially to
>> >> > act as an implanted prosthesis for people who have lost brain cells to
>> >> > diseases such as Alzheimer's.
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>> >> > If we tried to fine-tune and correct the parameters of the billions of
>> >> > neurons in the human brain without a high-resolution map of the
>> >> > "shape" of how they fire, we would probably be computing until the end
>> >> > of time. Instead, we must break the problem down, which is why our map
>> >> > combines both brain structure and function measurements at large scale
>> >> > and high resolution. In this field, millimetres of tissue or anything
>> >> > beyond a few hundred neurons is considered large. Quite amazingly, a
>> >> > programme to achieve whole brain emulation is emerging.
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>> >> > I doubt I can interest the group with the science - most is being done
>> >> > on nematode worms - but what would a brain made by humans be? After
>> >> > all, we usually lay claim that what makes us 'human' comes from the
>> >> > brain.
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>> |_D Allan
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>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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