Re: Mind's Eye Re: Science and religion in modernity

Somehow I am not surprised, Molly.

On Nov 4, 7:48 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I still read Goethe.  One of the authors I pick up with regularity.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 3, 2012 9:28:15 AM UTC-4, rigsy03 wrote:
>
> > I'd like to think about this further- maybe forever! I hoped to
> > encourage you not to be discouraged. Perhaps there is something you
> > can tweak or rearrange to suit your own standards- sometimes a break
> > will give a writer/artist a new insight or twist to suit his purpose
> > or logic and is easily fixed- or sometimes the entire work collapses
> > (am thinking of my past lyric poem attempts or the stubborn canvases,
> > etc.) But there is also the reader to consider in the exchange who
> > might not even notice or care about what you consider imperfect. It
> > has been said Goethe was the last mortal who could coast at ease
> > through human knowledge of his time- and who reads Goethe these
> > days? :-)
>
> > On Nov 2, 5:54 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > But it's not impossible rigsy.
>
> > > On 1 Nov, 14:54, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Literature tries to be tidy but life is not so something is always
> > > > "wanting".
>
> > > > On Nov 1, 7:47 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > MIT have a current exhibition that seems to get somewhere near my
> > > > > interest -
> >http://arts.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/Holocene-PR-Final.pdf
>
> > > > > This is some of the blurb -
>
> > > > > Through the work of artists spanning from the 19th to the 21st
> > > > > centuries, the exhibition proposes that art acts as an investigative
> > > > > and experimental form of inquiry, addressing or amending what is
> > > > > explained through traditional scientific or
> > > > > mathematical means: entropy, matter, time (cosmic, geological),
> > > > > energy, topology, mimicry, perception,
> > > > > consciousness, et cetera. Sometimes employing scientific
> > methodologies
> > > > > or the epistemology of science, other
> > > > > times investigating phenomena not restricted to any scientific
> > > > > discipline, art can be seen as a form of
> > > > > investigation into the physical and natural world. In this sense,
> > both
> > > > > art and science share an interest in
> > > > > knowledge and phenomena, yet are subject to different logics,
> > > > > principles of reasoning, and conclusions. In the
> > > > > Holocene suggests that art is itself an account of the world, and
> > can
> > > > > expand the potential of
> > > > > investigative and experimental activity.
> > > > > Emblematic of the central premise of the exhibition, Germaine
> > Kruip's
> > > > > film Aesthetics as a Way of Survival
> > > > > (2009) documents the phenomenon in which the male bowerbird arranges
> > > > > colored objects as part of its
> > > > > courtship display, suggesting an aesthetic faculty at work even
> > within
> > > > > evolutionary behavior. Friedrich Fröbel
> > > > > devised a pedagogical system centered on childhood learning through
> > > > > color and form. Helen Mirra's sculptures
> > > > > address geological time and extremophile forms of living matter.
> > > > > Robert Smithson's interest in crystallography and
> > > > > entropy are reflected in both his Four-Sided Vortex (1965) and
> > > > > Partially Buried Woodshed (1970). Daria
> > > > > Martin's Sensorium Tests (2012) revolves around a recently
> > recognized
> > > > > neurological condition called "mirror—
> > > > > touch synaesthesia." For FT Marinetti, abstract mathematical objects
> > > > > could stimulate in his readers the
> > > > > subjective experience of the sounds, smells, and motions of modern
> > > > > life; Iannis Xenakis' Diamorphoses (1957)
> > > > > and Mycenae Alpha (1978) utilize mathematical operations as
> > > > > compositional strategies for creating music.
> > > > > Alfred Jarry's "pataphysics," John Latham's "Time—Base Theory," and
> > > > > João Maria Gusmão and Pedro Paiva's
> > > > > "Abyssology" are all examples of speculative systems of knowledge
> > > > > constructed by the artists to address gaps
> > > > > in historical, philosophical, and scientific discourse.
>
> > > > > I resist chocolate-box aesthetics (however posh) and appreciation
> > done
> > > > > to establish superiority of sophistication and am wary of concepts
> > of
> > > > > elegance and beauty applied to science (most scientists I've known
> > > > > thick of this as 'waiting for a blow-job from God' - the world
> > always
> > > > > proves untidy).  In a way, I hope art might light up (say) the
> > > > > financial system in a way extended argument cannot.  I've just
> > > > > finished a novel trying to do this, but can't get it to work - but
> > how
> > > > > could it when most of our shared concepts from literature are the
> > > > > blocks to understanding?
>
> > > > > On 23 Oct, 04:34, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > What a pleasure to read these recents posts.//I've noticed the
> > > > > > politicians aren't saying much to retirees unless they think we
> > are
> > > > > > over the hill and expendable- except we tend to VOTE.// I only
> > have
> > > > > > one pair of reader glasses that are rx. I can get by with cheapies
> > for
> > > > > > cooking and shopping but the eye doctor told me this was not a
> > very
> > > > > > bright plan. One eye will not get the right whatever.// I have
> > been
> > > > > > rearranging closets and dressers of late and can't remember where
> > I
> > > > > > have switched things so it has been a riot trying to dress.//I did
> > > > > > come across a line of Matthew Arnold's that a little math goes a
> > long
> > > > > > way for most of humanity and remembered my amazement walking into
> > the
> > > > > > wrong classroom and seeing four or five blackboards covered with
> > some
> > > > > > algebraic "work of art"- for it is an art.// I don't really need a
> > lot
> > > > > > of money but it just costs a lot to live in western economies
> > built on
> > > > > > self-sufficiency rather than tribal respect for the wise elders.
> > :-)
>
> > > > > > On Oct 22, 12:22 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I have real problems remembering where I left my glasses (though
> > not
> > > > > > > the ones with beer in) - even the IMF are considering the old
> > Chicago
> > > > > > > Plan  (1936) for fairer money.  We live as paupers in the land
> > of
> > > > > > > plenty in my view.http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/
> > > > > > > wp12202.pdf
>
> > > > > > > It's long and boring, but the gist is in the short conclusion.
> >  It
> > > > > > > lacks your insight into what we are worshipping Al.
>
> > > > > > > On 22 Oct, 07:27, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > People are expected to change and grow. the errors of the
> >  past are
> > > > > > > > meant to be out grown and evolved into a life that is kinder
> > and
> > > > > > > > gentler with others coming to the forefront leaving the self
> > centered
> > > > > > > > being behind,,  As I look around I am left wondering if this
> > is what
> > > > > > > > is occurring,,  I see wealth being more and more concentrated
> > in the
> > > > > > > > greedy few..  I see the traditional higher power being
> > replaced by a
> > > > > > > > god of gold and wealth, that is worshiped with immense
> > intensity..
> > > > > > > > an intensity that if applied to eliminating poverty ,, poverty
> > would
> > > > > > > > be eliminated world wide within a few short years.
>
> > > > > > > > I have not forgotten anything to my knowledge Neil  I can
> > remember my
> > > > > > > > childhood to date in great detail  recall is not the problem
> > and fear
> > > > > > > > well that is more to keep me from getting killed..  I tend to
> > like
> > > > > > > > invisibility  good idea
> > > > > > > > Allan
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> > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 11:36 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > With memories as bad as mine and yours Allan we have to
> > invent for
> > > > > > > > > fear of remembering we have forgotten everything.
>
> > > > > > > > > On 21 Oct, 19:00, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> What happens when your whole concepts begin changing..
> > strange
> > > > > > > > >> things like the entire universe becomes small  and you have
> > to go out
> > > > > > > > >> side its bounds..  Being a soul being what happens if the
> > creation
> > > > > > > > >> soul is earlier than than the creation of the universe?
> > > > > > > > >> Allan
>
> > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 6:09 PM, archytas <
> > nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> > Science doesn't fascinate me in the way some literature
> > and people can
> > > > > > > > >> > generally - I suspect the 'enthusiasm' of the
> > popularisation of the
> > > > > > > > >> > subjects.  I concur on the predicament element rigs -
> > insightive.  It
> > > > > > > > >> > seems a mistake to me to try and place god in some
> > scientific-
> > > > > > > > >> > dimensional space (though I miss Pat) and I wonder
> > instead whether the
> > > > > > > > >> > god-positions people hack out are as baseless as, say,
> > phlogiston - we
> > > > > > > > >> > need some new thinking.
>
> > > > > > > > >> > Science and critical history have demonstrated much
> > religious text is
> > > > > > > > >> > fable.  We repeatedly see that image management hides
> > much that is
> > > > > > > > >> > foul under 'preaching' - here our current examples would
> > be Jimmy
> > > > > > > > >> > Saville, Baby P, priestly paedophiles and Hillsborough
> > (scouting in
> > > > > > > > >> > the US etc.) - but I'd say we may be on the brink of
> > realising
> > > > > > > > >> > economics is equally vile.
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> > > > > > > > >> > I can imagine spending a few weeks with a group living
> > human-
> > > > > > > > >> > constrained lives in a collective of the future.  A woman
> > kisses me
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