Re: Mind's Eye What is really going on in America?

No. :-)

On Nov 11, 5:31 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are you including the lazy bones that are profiting solely from the
> labors of others ?? that having excessive money  invest it and work at
> avoiding paying taxes???
> Allan
>
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> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:22 AM, rigsy03 <rigs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > That is a gross misgeneralization re the rich. Who are the rich? The
> > retirees with 6 figure pensions? Government pork? Celebrity bacon?
> > Take away free enterprise and we will all be slaves to thieves and
> > government. The work ethic makes sense to those work and build
> > security but never makes sense to lazy bones. Okay, tell the Queen and
> > Obama to rough it for a while- try that for a start- then cancel
> > Oprah's "favorite things" that spur envy and debt. Good luck!
>
> > On Nov 10, 5:41 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> We lack simple explanation that isn't  crass Allan.  I have little
> >> doubt the rich have stolen the wealth they have and it should be taken
> >> from them - but how do we do this without it ending up with big
> >> government that doesn't work any better?  I think we are tranced by a
> >> work ethic that really makes no sense.  We need facts on just how much
> >> work needs to be done and how we might organise that.  Simples!  Yet
> >> no answer because we don't understand the 'trancing'.
>
> >> On 10 Nov, 07:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > From what I see is the answer lies in manufacturing. And crazy things like
> >> > 50% less sales tax on products that are produced in the country origin,
> >> > that includes good thru all industrial products.
>
> >> > Better tax collection on all international corporations and stock or money
> >> > sent out of the country.
>
> >> > In the US all corporation papers say they agree to abide by all the laws
> >> > and if they don't they lose all corporate  rights and privileges. This
> >> > needs to be enforced and you will see major changes in business. You have
> >> > to remember tax evasion is against the law.
> >> > Allan
>
> >> > Air gunner full of hot air ready to release it quickly
> >> > On Nov 10, 2012 2:04 AM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > The weird thing is that we are being told all sorts of stuff can't be
> >> > > 'afforded' - yet productivity is up by factors of ten since we did
> >> > > decent things like national health services - we should be able to
> >> > > afford loads more.  In the UK we were told the answer was US
> >> > > management, then Japanese - German stuff had too much industrial
> >> > > democracy for our business ethos.  Even the IMF has realised austerity
> >> > > is a crock.  We're in the grips of something else.  Debt is the
> >> > > obvious answer -but we have to address our attitudes towards it.  Its
> >> > > owned by robber barons and all link between work and reward has really
> >> > > gone.
>
> >> > > On 9 Nov, 21:59, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > I totally agree with you management is based on rot..but from what I
> >> > > > have been reading it is the same problem from eons ago,,  unchanged
> >> > > > what does it take to get management that is interested in the
> >> > > > betterment of society ..  the ideas sit with in beliefs  which puts
> >> > > > part of the burdens on religions ,, then the problems comes how does
> >> > > > one get beliefs to work for the betterment of mankind in this world.
> >> > > > Allan
>
> >> > > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > Get your head back on Al - I know about the Japanese war crimes.  The
> >> > > > > book I was referring to was written by a Japanese clown.  The point is
> >> > > > > that management miracles are based on rot..
>
> >> > > > > On 9 Nov, 19:07, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> Neil I had two uncles in ww II One in the European theater the other
> >> > > > >> was in pacific theater and was captured even before the war started in
> >> > > > >> my memory is right   he survived 2 death ship and four death marches
> >> > > > >> that is talking five years of imprisonment into account  loss of close
> >> > > > >> to 70 kilos..  you need to get your facts straight as to strategies of
> >> > > > >> both wars..  and if Germany was acting like J ,,  Berlin would have
> >> > > > >> been Nuclear ashes also..
>
> >> > > > >> Yes  the US has serious fiscal problems..  thanks to some
> >> > > > >> irresponsible politicians  starting with the Reagan administration ..
> >> > > > >> hopefully  they will get something done . and stop sticking one thumb
> >> > > > >> in their mouth and the other in their ass then rotating.
>
> >> > > > >> As for what happens iihope for the best  but in reality   we will
> >> > > see..
> >> > > > >> Allan
>
> >> > > > >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/us-debt-problems-threaten-t...
>
> >> > > > >> > The Germans are considering the USA as a potential Greece.
>
> >> > > > >> > I'm remembering attitudes towards Japan in the 1980s.  There was a
> >> > > > >> > dreadful book called 'The Japan That Can Say No' which summaries
> >> > > thus:
>
> >> > > > >> > + Japan must use its technological superiority as a negotiating
> >> > > > >> > weapon, and it should
> >> > > > >> > even threaten to trade secrets with the Soviet Union as a bargaining
> >> > > > >> > tool against the US and refuse to sell components that go into US
> >> > > > >> > missiles.
> >> > > > >> > + The quality of American goods is low because the level of the
> >> > > > >> > workers is low, while the superior education of Japanese workers is
> >> > > a
> >> > > > >> > big advantage.
> >> > > > >> > + The Japanese character is innately superior to the character of
> >> > > > >> > Americans.
> >> > > > >> > + Americans believe that the Caucasian race is superior since the
> >> > > > >> > modern era is dominated by the western world, and this prejudice
> >> > > will
> >> > > > >> > hurt them in the end.
> >> > > > >> > + Former American colonies are rife with problems, while former
> >> > > > >> > Japanese colonies are thriving.
>
> >> > > > >> > + America's dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan and not Germany in
> >> > > > >> > World War II arose from racism because Germans are white people and
> >> > > > >> > Japanese are not. (Though at the time of the German defeat in April
> >> > > > >> > 1945, the atomic bomb was as yet incomplete and untested until July
> >> > > > >> > 16, 1945, so that may have been a factor)
> >> > > > >> > + The trade surplus with the U.S. is caused by the lack of desirable
> >> > > > >> > products made in the U.S.
>
> >> > > > >> > I read it on a plane out there on a journey to discover their
> >> > > > >> > shipbuilding secrets.  I met a lovely bloke out there who told me
> >> > > the
> >> > > > >> > idea of copying Japanese management secrets filled him with dread.
> >> > > > >> > The only secret was they were rotten, sexist and callous.  Japan
> >> > > fell
> >> > > > >> > off its fiscal cliff when I left (1980s).  Almost sadly, this wasn't
> >> > > > >> > because of anything I left behind.  The 'brilliant' Japanese
> >> > > > >> > management techniques were taught by lazy lecturers for the next 20
> >> > > > >> > years.
>
> >> > > > >> > The coming fiscal cliff in the US isn't like Greece in that USD can
> >> > > be
> >> > > > >> > printed at will.  Der Spiegel says this:
>
> >> > > > >> > The US has more in common with heavily indebted southern European
> >> > > > >> > countries than it might like to admit. And if the country doesn't
> >> > > > >> > reach agreement on deficit reduction measures soon, the similarities
> >> > > > >> > could become impossible to ignore. The fiscal cliff looms in the
> >> > > near
> >> > > > >> > future, and its not just the US that is under threat.
>
> >> > > > >> > The US has finally voted and the dark visions of America's future
> >> > > > >> > broadcast on television screens across the country -- and most
> >> > > > >> > intensively in battleground states -- have come to an end.
> >> > > Supporters
> >> > > > >> > of both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney had developed doomsday
> >> > > scenarios
> >> > > > >> > for what would happen if their candidate's opponent were to win.
> >> > > Four
> >> > > > >> > more years of Obama, the ads warned, would result in pure
> >> > > socialism. A
> >> > > > >> > Romney presidency would see the middle and lower classes brutally
> >> > > > >> > exploited.
>
> >> > > > >> > But following Obama's re-election, Americans are now facing a
> >> > > > >> > different, much more real horror scenario: In just a few weeks time,
> >> > > > >> > thousands of children could be denied vaccinations, federally funded
> >> > > > >> > school programs could screech to a halt, adults may be forced to
> >> > > > >> > forego HIV tests and subsidized housing vouchers would dry up. Even
> >> > > > >> > the work of air-traffic controllers, the FBI, border officials and
> >> > > the
> >> > > > >> > military could be drastically curtailed.
>
> >> > > > >> > That and more is looming just over the horizon according to the
> >> > > White
> >> > > > >> > House if the country is allowed to plunge off the "fiscal cliff" at
> >> > > > >> > the beginning of next year. Coined by Federal Reserve head Ben
> >> > > > >> > Bernanke, it refers to the vast array of cuts and tax increases
> >> > > which
> >> > > > >> > will automatically go into effect if Republicans and Democrats can't
> >> > > > >> > agree on measures to slash the US budget deficit.
>
> >> > > > >> > The answer is to abolish debt instead and start again with new
> >> > > world-
> >> > > > >> > wide agreements on workers' rights that abolishes races to the
> >> > > > >> > bottom.  This isn't much in comparison with losing wars and having
> >> > > to
> >> > > > >> > rise from real ashes as Germany and Japan did.
>
> >> > > > >> > --
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> >> > > > >> --
> >> > > > >>  (
> >> > > > >>   )
> >> > > > >> |_D Allan
>
> >> > > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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