Re: Mind's Eye What is really going on in America?

The weird thing is that we are being told all sorts of stuff can't be
'afforded' - yet productivity is up by factors of ten since we did
decent things like national health services - we should be able to
afford loads more. In the UK we were told the answer was US
management, then Japanese - German stuff had too much industrial
democracy for our business ethos. Even the IMF has realised austerity
is a crock. We're in the grips of something else. Debt is the
obvious answer -but we have to address our attitudes towards it. Its
owned by robber barons and all link between work and reward has really
gone.

On 9 Nov, 21:59, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I totally agree with you management is based on rot..but from what I
> have been reading it is the same problem from eons ago,,  unchanged
> what does it take to get management that is interested in the
> betterment of society ..  the ideas sit with in beliefs  which puts
> part of the burdens on religions ,, then the problems comes how does
> one get beliefs to work for the betterment of mankind in this world.
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> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 9:45 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Get your head back on Al - I know about the Japanese war crimes.  The
> > book I was referring to was written by a Japanese clown.  The point is
> > that management miracles are based on rot..
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> > On 9 Nov, 19:07, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Neil I had two uncles in ww II One in the European theater the other
> >> was in pacific theater and was captured even before the war started in
> >> my memory is right   he survived 2 death ship and four death marches
> >> that is talking five years of imprisonment into account  loss of close
> >> to 70 kilos..  you need to get your facts straight as to strategies of
> >> both wars..  and if Germany was acting like J ,,  Berlin would have
> >> been Nuclear ashes also..
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> >> Yes  the US has serious fiscal problems..  thanks to some
> >> irresponsible politicians  starting with the Reagan administration ..
> >> hopefully  they will get something done . and stop sticking one thumb
> >> in their mouth and the other in their ass then rotating.
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> >> As for what happens iihope for the best  but in reality   we will see..
> >> Allan
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> >> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/us-debt-problems-threaten-t...
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> >> > The Germans are considering the USA as a potential Greece.
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> >> > I'm remembering attitudes towards Japan in the 1980s.  There was a
> >> > dreadful book called 'The Japan That Can Say No' which summaries thus:
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> >> > + Japan must use its technological superiority as a negotiating
> >> > weapon, and it should
> >> > even threaten to trade secrets with the Soviet Union as a bargaining
> >> > tool against the US and refuse to sell components that go into US
> >> > missiles.
> >> > + The quality of American goods is low because the level of the
> >> > workers is low, while the superior education of Japanese workers is a
> >> > big advantage.
> >> > + The Japanese character is innately superior to the character of
> >> > Americans.
> >> > + Americans believe that the Caucasian race is superior since the
> >> > modern era is dominated by the western world, and this prejudice will
> >> > hurt them in the end.
> >> > + Former American colonies are rife with problems, while former
> >> > Japanese colonies are thriving.
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> >> > + America's dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan and not Germany in
> >> > World War II arose from racism because Germans are white people and
> >> > Japanese are not. (Though at the time of the German defeat in April
> >> > 1945, the atomic bomb was as yet incomplete and untested until July
> >> > 16, 1945, so that may have been a factor)
> >> > + The trade surplus with the U.S. is caused by the lack of desirable
> >> > products made in the U.S.
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> >> > I read it on a plane out there on a journey to discover their
> >> > shipbuilding secrets.  I met a lovely bloke out there who told me the
> >> > idea of copying Japanese management secrets filled him with dread.
> >> > The only secret was they were rotten, sexist and callous.  Japan fell
> >> > off its fiscal cliff when I left (1980s).  Almost sadly, this wasn't
> >> > because of anything I left behind.  The 'brilliant' Japanese
> >> > management techniques were taught by lazy lecturers for the next 20
> >> > years.
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> >> > The coming fiscal cliff in the US isn't like Greece in that USD can be
> >> > printed at will.  Der Spiegel says this:
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> >> > The US has more in common with heavily indebted southern European
> >> > countries than it might like to admit. And if the country doesn't
> >> > reach agreement on deficit reduction measures soon, the similarities
> >> > could become impossible to ignore. The fiscal cliff looms in the near
> >> > future, and its not just the US that is under threat.
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> >> > The US has finally voted and the dark visions of America's future
> >> > broadcast on television screens across the country -- and most
> >> > intensively in battleground states -- have come to an end. Supporters
> >> > of both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney had developed doomsday scenarios
> >> > for what would happen if their candidate's opponent were to win. Four
> >> > more years of Obama, the ads warned, would result in pure socialism. A
> >> > Romney presidency would see the middle and lower classes brutally
> >> > exploited.
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> >> > But following Obama's re-election, Americans are now facing a
> >> > different, much more real horror scenario: In just a few weeks time,
> >> > thousands of children could be denied vaccinations, federally funded
> >> > school programs could screech to a halt, adults may be forced to
> >> > forego HIV tests and subsidized housing vouchers would dry up. Even
> >> > the work of air-traffic controllers, the FBI, border officials and the
> >> > military could be drastically curtailed.
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> >> > That and more is looming just over the horizon according to the White
> >> > House if the country is allowed to plunge off the "fiscal cliff" at
> >> > the beginning of next year. Coined by Federal Reserve head Ben
> >> > Bernanke, it refers to the vast array of cuts and tax increases which
> >> > will automatically go into effect if Republicans and Democrats can't
> >> > agree on measures to slash the US budget deficit.
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> >> > The answer is to abolish debt instead and start again with new world-
> >> > wide agreements on workers' rights that abolishes races to the
> >> > bottom.  This isn't much in comparison with losing wars and having to
> >> > rise from real ashes as Germany and Japan did.
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> >> |_D Allan
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> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> >>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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> > --
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> |_D Allan
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> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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>  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.

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