Re: Mind's Eye Instinct for survival

Morality is sadly subject to the rationalisation Gabby indicates.
Otherwise Habermas or Rawls would work or some privileged internal
access to the light. I think answers might lie in what we'd be free
of material want. One might start by wondering why we seem so scared
of such a condition.

On 10 Dec, 23:45, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Which lie did I tell??
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> 2012/12/10 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> > I know very well Gabby,, it has taken legs of its own..  the truth is
> > yo have to stop the lies and tell the truth not cover it up with more
> > lies..  where there is error it needs to be corrected..   yes it means
> > rewriting history  and let the truth have its legs and give it a
> > chance..  yes and it has lead spirituality down a path..  One of the
> > problems is the spirituality that Jesus taught has nothing to do with
> > crucifixion at all..   people want to claim a easy way out..  rather
> > than have to understand what he taught  ..  there are a lot of people
> > who really do  understand the spirituality ...  the leadership is
> > there ..  it is the lack of spiritual leadership...  probably because
> > they can not face the earlier deception ..
> > Allan
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> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:19 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I don't know, Allan. This way of telling the story is underestimating the
> > > power of cause and effect,  the timeline  (often seen as leglessly
> > moving,
> > > non-blinking , poisonous) that allows us to make judgements and correct
> > our
> > > views - and our path will follow.  The poisonous snake bite is as true
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> > > led us to our here and now as Jesus is the spiritual creator of the
> > > Autobahnen on which we will be travelling on Godspeed. Jesusswank in full
> > > effect.
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> > > 2012/12/9 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> > >> I was raised in the same atmosphere..  the only difference was my father
> > >> was a convert and it seriously meant something..
> > >>   the church of england is on the sideline,, they did that when the king
> > >> took control of spirituality so he could have a divorce..
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> > >> The problems in christianity lies in its foundation..  the errors and
> > >> problems they built in from the beginning..  minor things like Paul's
> > >> healing from a snake bite..   that is a lie..   there are no poisonous
> > >> snakes on Malta..   Yes it is hard  but you have clean house..  that is
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> > >> beginning o real and meaningful change..  not administrative garbage..
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> > >> Oddly it can be made to fit  and as spirituality goes it really is not
> > >> bad, and  you will have dual churches and dual beliefs..  but over time
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> > >> can end the lies,,  mostly by not hiding form them  ..  it get down to
> > >> telling the simple truth rather than the comforting lie.
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> > >> Many people will not be able to accept the change,,  and that is okay,,
> > >> the wheels of change need to start rolling..   by going through all the
> > past
> > >> and what is a lie admit to it and correct it,,  bringing it back to one
> > >> faith.
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> > >> only a few will ever really find he path Jesus created
> > >> Allan
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> > >> Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
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> > >> On Dec 9, 2012 4:11 PM, "archytas" <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>> Given what they have done with some decent spiritual messages Allan, I
> > >>> sometimes think of 'them' as Xstains.  I was born into the tradition,
> > >>> but thought it was twaddle by the time Sunday school was interfering
> > >>> with soccer and cricket.  I have no doubt we should focus more on
> > >>> spirituality, fellowship, hospitality, goodwill and sensitivity to
> > >>> others.  I just don't want to base this on a pack of lies, banning
> > >>> women from hierarchies, prejudicing gays and xenophobic stuff about
> > >>> outsiders and being part of god's chosen.  It's hard to think like
> > >>> this without being prejudiced against the 'worshipers of the blue and
> > >>> white striped rabbit' and purveyors of godswank.  The inner danger is
> > >>> becoming religiously anti-religious.  I'm actually rather touched by
> > >>> good aspects of some of the stuff.
> > >>> I have no idea why we are clinging to this rock - but I don't want it
> > >>> to be about being amused by Aussie pranksters making hoax calls or
> > >>> murals celebrating vile killing such as one finds in the Vatican.
> > >>> Science clearly provides us no answers to our spiritual plight and
> > >>> religion as I witness it internally is largely about future memory
> > >>> with less myth in it and less reason to take religion as we might
> > >>> otherwise take opiates.
> > >>> A colleague working in India is saying his students are reading Mein
> > >>> Kampf - more or less replacing the word Jew with Muslim and agreeing
> > >>> the plot entirely.  We could do with some sensible religion and
> > >>> economics to fill the void that leaves people this vulnerable.
> > >>> Knowledge of thermodynamics or the biochemistry of life isn't going to
> > >>> do that for us.
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> > >>> On Dec 8, 10:01 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > xtian aka christianity
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> > >>> > On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > > It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line
> > >>> > > about Pilate! :-)
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> > >>> > > On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > >> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used.
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> > >>> > >> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get
> > back
> > >>> > >> to
> > >>> > >> reminding science about its root guesses Allan.  I take from
> > >>> > >> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants
> > that
> > >>> > >> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct.
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> > >>> > >> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of
> > re-evaluating
> > >>> > >> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god.
> > >>> > >> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science
> > >>> > >> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more.
> > >>> > >> The
> > >>> > >> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its
> > >>> > >> history
> > >>> > >> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to
> > learn
> > >>> > >> in terms of grace and fellowship.
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> > >>> > >> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >>> > >> > it is not for cleaning hands  ,,  it just gets rid of smell that
> > >>> > >> > you
> > >>> > >> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash..  you just wash
> > >>> > >> > after
> > >>> > >> > youor hands are clean,,  then the smell is gone.
> > >>> > >> > Allan
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> > >>> > >> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com
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> > >>> > >> > wrote:
> > >>> > >> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for
> > cleaning
> > >>> > >> > > my hands. I
> > >>> > >> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more
> > >>> > >> > > difficult dirt on
> > >>> > >> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more
> > often
> > >>> > >> > > I wear
> > >>> > >> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks
> > for
> > >>> > >> > > the tip.
> > >>> > >> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel
> > instead
> > >>> > >> > > of stone,
> > >>> > >> > > you're right.
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> > >>> > >> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic
> > >>> > >> > > wrote:
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> > >>> > >> > >> Well actually Gabby  I have this stainless steel soap bar
> > used
> > >>> > >> > >> for
> > >>> > >> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands   things like onion,
> > >>> > >> > >> Garlic ,,
> > >>> > >> > >> any strong ordure ,,   just tried it on the epoxy smell left
> > >>> > >> > >> over from
> > >>> > >> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler.
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> > >>> > >> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,,  how does
> > >>> > >> > >> it work?
> > >>> > >> > >> Allan
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> > >>> > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com
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> > >>> > >> > >> wrote:
> > >>> > >> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find
> > >>> > >> > >> > the God
> > >>> > >> > >> > concept
> > >>> > >> > >> > much more to the point. :)
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> > >>> > >> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then
> > >>> > >> > >> > matter -
> > >>> > >> > >> > though.
> > >>> > >> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;)
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> > >>> > >> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is
> > >>> > >> > >> > much more
> > >>> > >> > >> > vivid
> > >>> > >> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story.
> > That's
> > >>> > >> > >> > true. But
> > >>> > >> > >> > the
> > >>> > >> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which
> > >>> > >> > >> > is really
> > >>> > >> > >> > good.
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> > >>> > >> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking
> > >>> > >> > >> > about?
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> > >>> > >> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <allan...@gmail.com>
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> > >>> > >> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no
> > >>> > >> > >> >> supporting
> > >>> > >> > >> >> evidence..
> > >>> > >> > >> >> Allan
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> > >>> > >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <
> > 123...@gmail.com>
> > >>> > >> > >> >> wrote:
> > >>> > >> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not
> > >>> > >> > >> >> > that of
> > >>> > >> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes.
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> > >>> > >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H
> > >>> > >> > >> >> > <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> That is not true  the beginning can be pretty much
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> pinpointed ..  as
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> for
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with
> > nothing
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> to support
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> the
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good.  There is more evidence
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> supporting the
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> spiritual
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes
> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> Allan
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> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> Matrix  **  th3 beginning light
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> > >>> > >> > >> >> >> On Dec 4,
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