http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/
2012/12/10 RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
Laws enacted by the legislature and enforced by the executive can be
called a moral code of conduct with regard to a social group.
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:52 PM, gabbydott <gabbydott@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hm, how about: ... is about negotiating a moral code of conduct in a group
> of social beings?
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> 2012/12/9 RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com>
>>
>> Religion is first and foremost about prayer and worship. There is no
>> need for that but we must accept a morality code and adhere by it ,
>> there should be a feeling of love for one's fellow creatures and
>> tolerance towards them.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Given what they have done with some decent spiritual messages Allan, I
>> > sometimes think of 'them' as Xstains. I was born into the tradition,
>> > but thought it was twaddle by the time Sunday school was interfering
>> > with soccer and cricket. I have no doubt we should focus more on
>> > spirituality, fellowship, hospitality, goodwill and sensitivity to
>> > others. I just don't want to base this on a pack of lies, banning
>> > women from hierarchies, prejudicing gays and xenophobic stuff about
>> > outsiders and being part of god's chosen. It's hard to think like
>> > this without being prejudiced against the 'worshipers of the blue and
>> > white striped rabbit' and purveyors of godswank. The inner danger is
>> > becoming religiously anti-religious. I'm actually rather touched by
>> > good aspects of some of the stuff.
>> > I have no idea why we are clinging to this rock - but I don't want it
>> > to be about being amused by Aussie pranksters making hoax calls or
>> > murals celebrating vile killing such as one finds in the Vatican.
>> > Science clearly provides us no answers to our spiritual plight and
>> > religion as I witness it internally is largely about future memory
>> > with less myth in it and less reason to take religion as we might
>> > otherwise take opiates.
>> > A colleague working in India is saying his students are reading Mein
>> > Kampf - more or less replacing the word Jew with Muslim and agreeing
>> > the plot entirely. We could do with some sensible religion and
>> > economics to fill the void that leaves people this vulnerable.
>> > Knowledge of thermodynamics or the biochemistry of life isn't going to
>> > do that for us.
>> >
>> > On Dec 8, 10:01 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> xtian aka christianity
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:02 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > It depends on what religion you are referring to. Very funny line
>> >> > about Pilate! :-)
>> >>
>> >> > On Dec 6, 4:09 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Sounds like something Pontius Pilate might have used.
>> >>
>> >> >> I guess that David Deutsch and constructor theory tries to get back
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> reminding science about its root guesses Allan. I take from
>> >> >> 'Spartacus Ants' sacrificing themselves to destroy slaver ants that
>> >> >> pre-human biology 'knows' something of survival instinct.
>> >>
>> >> >> Descartes had it that until we could get to a point of re-evaluating
>> >> >> against his radical doubt one had to trust in a beneficent god.
>> >> >> Whilst we can criticize his system, I think anti-religious science
>> >> >> misses the beat on issues of how we can live until we know more.
>> >> >> The
>> >> >> spiritual thus has its place. There is plenty to avoid in its
>> >> >> history
>> >> >> of control fraud, abuse, sexism and war crimes - but plenty to learn
>> >> >> in terms of grace and fellowship.
>> >>
>> >> >> On 6 Dec, 08:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > it is not for cleaning hands ,, it just gets rid of smell that
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > can not get rid of no matter how much you wash.. you just wash
>> >> >> > after
>> >> >> > youor hands are clean,, then the smell is gone.
>> >> >> > Allan
>> >>
>> >> >> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > > Hm, I have never thought of using a steel soap bar for cleaning
>> >> >> > > my hands. I
>> >> >> > > use it occasionally for my pots and pans. And for the more
>> >> >> > > difficult dirt on
>> >> >> > > my hands I use a pumice stone or lemon. And more and more often
>> >> >> > > I wear
>> >> >> > > gloves or buy frozen and precut garlic and onion. But thanks for
>> >> >> > > the tip.
>> >> >> > > I'm sure that one day I'll make use of it. Why not steel instead
>> >> >> > > of stone,
>> >> >> > > you're right.
>> >>
>> >> >> > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:54:42 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> Well actually Gabby I have this stainless steel soap bar used
>> >> >> > >> for
>> >> >> > >> getting rid of ordure off your hands things like onion,
>> >> >> > >> Garlic ,,
>> >> >> > >> any strong ordure ,, just tried it on the epoxy smell left
>> >> >> > >> over from
>> >> >> > >> fixing my maxi egg coddler.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> now one of the greatest mysteries of the universe,, how does
>> >> >> > >> it work?
>> >> >> > >> Allan
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 6:38 PM, gabbydott <gabb...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> > The pointlessness of the points' business. Like Lee, I find
>> >> >> > >> > the God
>> >> >> > >> > concept
>> >> >> > >> > much more to the point. :)
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> > I don't follow Lee's sequencing model - first spirit, then
>> >> >> > >> > matter -
>> >> >> > >> > though.
>> >> >> > >> > This sounds very man-made to me. ;)
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> > As for the storytelling aspect, yes, the Chronos story is
>> >> >> > >> > much more
>> >> >> > >> > vivid
>> >> >> > >> > than the "God created (x) and saw it was good" story. That's
>> >> >> > >> > true. But
>> >> >> > >> > the
>> >> >> > >> > children are less likely to have bad dreams at night. Which
>> >> >> > >> > is really
>> >> >> > >> > good.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> > Sorry, Allan, I got carried away. What were you talking
>> >> >> > >> > about?
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> > 2012/12/4 Allan H <allan...@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> a series of creation is at best a wild guess with no
>> >> >> > >> >> supporting
>> >> >> > >> >> evidence..
>> >> >> > >> >> Allan
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> > You can pinpoint the beginning of this universe but not
>> >> >> > >> >> > that of
>> >> >> > >> >> > Creation with its series of universes.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Allan H
>> >> >> > >> >> > <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> >> That is not true the beginning can be pretty much
>> >> >> > >> >> >> pinpointed .. as
>> >> >> > >> >> >> for
>> >> >> > >> >> >> parallel universes that is just a wild guess with nothing
>> >> >> > >> >> >> to support
>> >> >> > >> >> >> the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> other than it sounds good. There is more evidence
>> >> >> > >> >> >> supporting the
>> >> >> > >> >> >> spiritual
>> >> >> > >> >> >> realm than parallel universes
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Allan
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> Matrix ** th3 beginning light
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2012 2:26 PM, "RP Singh" <123...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> In my view there is no beginning to creation. There is
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> beginning
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> end to universes There are infinite no. of universes in
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> parallel
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> continuously many universes are being born and many are
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> dying ,
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> but
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> Creation which includes infinite universes in eternal
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> time , just
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> like
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> the Spirit, is without beginning and without end. The
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> difference is
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> that the nature of creation is dualistic and the Spirit
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> is
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> non-dual.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Lee Douglas
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> <leerev...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Hello Andrew,
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Heh I can envisage many things, but alas many of them
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > are not
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > true.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > I
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > distinguish between two things, matter and spirit.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > Mattter is
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > all
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > that
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > is
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > physical, which includes physical 'matter' and also
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > energy. To
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > me
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > there
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > is
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > no paradox of who created the creator. Before the
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > begining there
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > was
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > only
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > God, God in spirit, and God created the creation out
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > of the spirt
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > of
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > God.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > That is all matter comes from spirit.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > On Friday, 30 November 2012 18:32:43 UTC, andrew
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> > vecsey wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Lee, I can see where all matter has to have an energy
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> component
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> it
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> because matter is manifested as atoms which have
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> motion in them.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> But I
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> could
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> also envision pure motion without involving any
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> atoms...like a
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> vibration in
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> the fabric of space,
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> On Friday, November 30, 2012 5:53:26 PM UTC+1, Lee
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> Douglas
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> Heh except of course that when it comes right down
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> to it.energy
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> is
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> matter
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> and matter is energy.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> On Friday, 30 November 2012 11:22:14 UTC, andrew
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>> vecsey wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> The paradoxical dilemma of who created the creator
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> can be
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> circumnavigated by the possibility that the
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> original creator
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> was
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> not
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> matter,
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> but energy. Just like thinking of anything is much
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> faster and
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> much
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> easier
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> than building it, it becomes conceivable that
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> energy patterns
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> could
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> have
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> evolved in a random chance way and finely tuned by
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> selective
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> processes to
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> reach intelligence similar to how most scientists
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> believe that
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> patterns of
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms and molecules evolved to form intelligent
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Energy patterns could have evolved to a point that
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> manipulated
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> atoms to desired patterns and forms to code the
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> information
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> required
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> for
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> life and to allow them to evolve on their own to
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> complex
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> intelligent
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> beings
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> able to wonder at and eventually to solve the
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> riddle of where
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> they
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> came
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> from, where they are going and why they are alive.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> Meaning and
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> purpose could
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> then be given to our fleeting moment of existence.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:55:05 PM UTC+1,
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> archytas
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> ....... All we have in respect of this is to
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> posit
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation, begging the question of what created
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> that in an
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> infinite
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> regress. .....We might get to an intelligent
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> state in which
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> creation
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> myths are replaced by something more plausible and
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> Truth
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> comes
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> closer.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> On 29 Nov, 01:41, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > Neil , even after re-transposition how long
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > could the brain
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > live
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > --1000 years , 10000years or maybe as long as
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the universe
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ,but
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > ultimately it will die or be destroyed at the
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > end - time of
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > the
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > universe. What survives is the Truth behind life
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > and
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > nothing
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > else.
>> >>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:33 AM, archytas
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > <nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > What survives is the gene - subject to
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > mutations etc. We
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > already
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'Borg' in the sense of mass assimilation.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > One's mind
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > be
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > transposed to another substrate (nearish
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > future) - our
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > bodies
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > are
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > currently replaced every 5 years or so- and
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > the new
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrate
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > could
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > have nanobots that would allow minds to
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > outlive Lee's
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > 'hope'.
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > Such
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > substrated minds might link in
>> >> >> > >> >> >>> >>>>> > > super-intelligence and be
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