Re: Mind's Eye Re: Bondage

I don't think it would be an equal state rigs - just fairer. We don't
really know. RP defines "I" and there are alternatives such as
"govern-mentality" which allow the I to be bound. I doubt, given
animal biology we are even born free. I don't drink much these days -
recovery time is too long!

On Dec 19, 7:19 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I tend to agree with your last paragraph. The best recourse is to use
> your boundaries instead of being trapped by them; you also might find
> that most individuals would not want to live in such an equal state
> anyway.
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> On Dec 18, 7:34 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > The Test ended as a boring draw and thus series win for England.  One
> > would not have thought this possible when England went down in the
> > first Test - so the series win was a miracle of sorts - partly of
> > international organisation as few of our men were born in England.  If
> > I'm interested at all these days it's to do with 'the truer word never
> > spoke' and our bondage to farcical ideologies of not being able to do
> > things.  I played in two or three losing teams that grew to take on
> > all-comers without much change in personnel.  There were no
> > inspirational speeches (well there were - but we laughed at them).
> > Winning in sport isn't much of a social model as it just changes who
> > the losers are - but we could make something of the spirit of 'can do'
> > in place of current sweeping of real issues under the carpet.  I'm not
> > talking of a 'jock mentality' - that was common in the losing stage -
> > it's more to do with recognising how to contribute to the team and how
> > to do those things that facilitate others, feel good about that and
> > encourage it.
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> > Part of our bondage is to do with what we consider winning to be and
> > managerial clowns who want to inspire their companies to be the
> > Manchester United of their commercial sector.  This misses the fact
> > that we'd be much better off with loads more people playing soccer
> > instead of watching vastly over-paid freaks who have never done a
> > day's work in their lives.  The story is always the same - 'global
> > competition' means we have to pay vast fees to have Man U, the
> > banksters, coffee shops and hotel chains who evade tax (legally
> > because we are such mugs - and in massive contradiction to espoused
> > ideologies and what is imposed on the rest of us) - or the players
> > will go elsewhere - and we are so useless we can't sell better coffee
> > and butties than Starwucks.  The first bondage we can't look in the
> > eye is libidinal - forced on us because we can't restrain the
> > libidinal economy.  This is essentially bondage to simplistic notions
> > of cause and effect and not seeing the wood for the trees.  We have
> > police and law because of bandits - yet can't apply this reasoning to
> > financial services and are subject to nightmare threats made real
> > through income deprivation, poverty and unemployment.  It's time (one
> > can only say with a hollow laugh) for change.
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> > Anyone who fears the social engineering that might allow cultural
> > change for the better should not speak before looking at how we are
> > being engineered by the current financial system and the way it places
> > ownership and rents into a few hands - liberalism is, in fact, massive
> > engineering and a politburo rather than a free alternative.  I'll
> > believe we have an attempt at freedom when I can choose to work in a
> > cooperative zone in which we are all in control of the means of
> > production and wealth distribution.  Liberalism is so scared of this
> > we aren't allowed to try.  We are allowed spiritual reflection -
> > presumably because this is known to be fruitless.
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> > On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >  I suspect we pre-select defeat in
> > > believing the condition impossible.
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> > > A truer word was never spoke.  I suspect we often do, by rote, never
> > > knowing the limitations we, ourselves, impose in the process.
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> > > On Dec 16, 3:19 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Slip and Gruff are missed.  Watched a Cronenberg film on Jung and
> > > > Freud last night - a bit limper than Japanese knots Don.  Here we are
> > > > clinging to a rock with no real idea of where we come from,
> > > > constrained by the speed of light (owing to the role of momentum in E
> > > > = mc2 and right angled triangles) and a biology that collapses in the
> > > > absence of gravity, has us slaves to genes and algorithms of an
> > > > information world that arises when chemicals get together.  The
> > > > insights of science debunk myths of origin for what they are - myths -
> > > > and yet knowing the chains of illusion seems little help in getting
> > > > beyond them.  We could be happier not knowing in the ignorant bliss
> > > > that waits for mass extinction not knowing it comes.  Politicians can
> > > > still get away with urging us to be proud of our nations (of the
> > > > Britain and USA using concentration camps in Southern Africa and the
> > > > Philippines around 1900 - the vile murders in the Congo originating in
> > > > Berlin meetings in the 1860s that continue today in imperialism's
> > > > changed form?).  We are bound by needs to make livings - something
> > > > technology has probably rendered unnecessary but we are still kept in
> > > > ideological shackles as surely as women caged in black bags.
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> > > > There has to be more than this RP.  The spiritual turns with the
> > > > material and I'm not sure either has to 'come first'.  England look
> > > > like winning the Test series in India.  The game is now ultimately
> > > > dull with a day and a half to go and all of India praying for a
> > > > miracle.  I suspect rigsy and I would be plotting sight-seeing on our
> > > > way out through the beer tent and cooling gin had she been unwise
> > > > enough to venture forth to sample the cultural delights of such old
> > > > colonialism!  We'd just be hearing the Indian roar as the ball starts
> > > > to spin and the English captain is victim of a bad umpiring decision
> > > > not subject to technological review.  We'd still leave - there is only
> > > > so much cricket one can force on friends.  Relief from northern
> > > > hemisphere weather would be good though rigs.  I sense we are waiting
> > > > for a cultural-spiritual miracle as likely as one on the flat pitch in
> > > > Nagpur.  I suspect our bombardment with trivia is the problem Don.
> > > >  Much as i can imagine us together in a heroic last wicket stand
> > > > thwarting the guile of India's spinners (the first ever Test was
> > > > between the USA and Canada so you have the pedigree!), I guess the
> > > > good guy is the one who changes light bulbs for his old neighbours.
> > > > What might we be without material bondage and with religion we could
> > > > believe in other than myth RP?   I suspect we pre-select defeat in
> > > > believing the condition impossible.
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> > > > On Dec 15, 3:57 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > I know just what you mean.. Eric Clapton is exciting to listen to
> > > > > Allan
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> > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > ...and here I thought this was going to be a lesson in interesting Japanese
> > > > > > knots. Maybe next time. i miss Slipdisc.
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> > > > > > I am bound by my morals. Even though i may step outside these boundaries
> > > > > > from time to time I generally feel bad about it and try to make amends as
> > > > > > i'm capable. I WANT to be the good guy. Problem with kids today(harrumph) is
> > > > > > they want to be bad boyzz. It's cooler.
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> > > > > > The point on limitations is spot on. i hear a blistering solo from Eric
> > > > > > Clapton and am spell bound.  BB King I can do all day. Albert too. Clapton
> > > > > > is WAAAY outta my league. I don't even try anymore.
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> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNUZTyukC4
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> > > > > > dj
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> > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:24:51 AM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote:
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> > > > > >> Are we bound to see what we want to see? I am bound by Nature which
> > > > > >> consists of my body and brain and other individuals and the
> > > > > >> environment surrounding me.
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> > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > We are bounded by our limitations and desires. In the end we can not see
> > > > > >> > all
> > > > > >> > there is to be seen and we see mainly what we want to see.
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> > > > > >> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:51:07 AM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
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> > > > > >> >> It is I who see , I who hear, I who reason , imagine , understand ; and
> > > > > >> >> again it is I who am angry , loving , jealous ,  and I who act and
> > > > > >> >> react. So
> > > > > >> >> where is my bondage ???
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> > > > > |_D Allan
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> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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> > > > >  Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.- Hide quoted text -
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