Re: Mind's Eye Re: Bondage

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/minds-eye/1TVATH98tA0/discussion

I found this conversation on free will in the minds-eye archives quite
interesting.

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Slip and Gruff are missed. Watched a Cronenberg film on Jung and
> Freud last night - a bit limper than Japanese knots Don. Here we are
> clinging to a rock with no real idea of where we come from,
> constrained by the speed of light (owing to the role of momentum in E
> = mc2 and right angled triangles) and a biology that collapses in the
> absence of gravity, has us slaves to genes and algorithms of an
> information world that arises when chemicals get together. The
> insights of science debunk myths of origin for what they are - myths -
> and yet knowing the chains of illusion seems little help in getting
> beyond them. We could be happier not knowing in the ignorant bliss
> that waits for mass extinction not knowing it comes. Politicians can
> still get away with urging us to be proud of our nations (of the
> Britain and USA using concentration camps in Southern Africa and the
> Philippines around 1900 - the vile murders in the Congo originating in
> Berlin meetings in the 1860s that continue today in imperialism's
> changed form?). We are bound by needs to make livings - something
> technology has probably rendered unnecessary but we are still kept in
> ideological shackles as surely as women caged in black bags.
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> There has to be more than this RP. The spiritual turns with the
> material and I'm not sure either has to 'come first'. England look
> like winning the Test series in India. The game is now ultimately
> dull with a day and a half to go and all of India praying for a
> miracle. I suspect rigsy and I would be plotting sight-seeing on our
> way out through the beer tent and cooling gin had she been unwise
> enough to venture forth to sample the cultural delights of such old
> colonialism! We'd just be hearing the Indian roar as the ball starts
> to spin and the English captain is victim of a bad umpiring decision
> not subject to technological review. We'd still leave - there is only
> so much cricket one can force on friends. Relief from northern
> hemisphere weather would be good though rigs. I sense we are waiting
> for a cultural-spiritual miracle as likely as one on the flat pitch in
> Nagpur. I suspect our bombardment with trivia is the problem Don.
> Much as i can imagine us together in a heroic last wicket stand
> thwarting the guile of India's spinners (the first ever Test was
> between the USA and Canada so you have the pedigree!), I guess the
> good guy is the one who changes light bulbs for his old neighbours.
> What might we be without material bondage and with religion we could
> believe in other than myth RP? I suspect we pre-select defeat in
> believing the condition impossible.
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> On Dec 15, 3:57 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I know just what you mean.. Eric Clapton is exciting to listen to
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>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ...and here I thought this was going to be a lesson in interesting Japanese
>> > knots. Maybe next time. i miss Slipdisc.
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>> > I am bound by my morals. Even though i may step outside these boundaries
>> > from time to time I generally feel bad about it and try to make amends as
>> > i'm capable. I WANT to be the good guy. Problem with kids today(harrumph) is
>> > they want to be bad boyzz. It's cooler.
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>> > The point on limitations is spot on. i hear a blistering solo from Eric
>> > Clapton and am spell bound. BB King I can do all day. Albert too. Clapton
>> > is WAAAY outta my league. I don't even try anymore.
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>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNUZTyukC4
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>> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:24:51 AM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote:
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>> >> Are we bound to see what we want to see? I am bound by Nature which
>> >> consists of my body and brain and other individuals and the
>> >> environment surrounding me.
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>> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
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>> >> > We are bounded by our limitations and desires. In the end we can not see
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>> >> > there is to be seen and we see mainly what we want to see.
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>> >> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:51:07 AM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
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>> >> >> It is I who see , I who hear, I who reason , imagine , understand ; and
>> >> >> again it is I who am angry , loving , jealous , and I who act and
>> >> >> react. So
>> >> >> where is my bondage ???
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>> |_D Allan
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>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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>> Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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