Re: Mind's Eye Re: Bondage

There is a difference between bondage and boundaries, RP.

On Dec 21, 2:40 am, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Those who believe in bondage and don't want to do something excuse
> themselves with the ' govern mentality ' but the very same people
> exhibit aggressive action in other situations. Similarly others who
> believe in free-will show a marked passivity in particular areas and
> easily rationalize inaction.
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> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 12:22 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't think it would be an equal state rigs - just fairer.  We don't
> > really know.  RP defines "I" and there are alternatives such as
> > "govern-mentality" which allow the I to be bound.  I doubt, given
> > animal biology we are even born free.  I don't drink much these days -
> > recovery time is too long!
>
> > On Dec 19, 7:19 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I tend to agree with your last paragraph. The best recourse is to use
> >> your boundaries instead of being trapped by them; you also might find
> >> that most individuals would not want to live in such an equal state
> >> anyway.
>
> >> On Dec 18, 7:34 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > The Test ended as a boring draw and thus series win for England.  One
> >> > would not have thought this possible when England went down in the
> >> > first Test - so the series win was a miracle of sorts - partly of
> >> > international organisation as few of our men were born in England.  If
> >> > I'm interested at all these days it's to do with 'the truer word never
> >> > spoke' and our bondage to farcical ideologies of not being able to do
> >> > things.  I played in two or three losing teams that grew to take on
> >> > all-comers without much change in personnel.  There were no
> >> > inspirational speeches (well there were - but we laughed at them).
> >> > Winning in sport isn't much of a social model as it just changes who
> >> > the losers are - but we could make something of the spirit of 'can do'
> >> > in place of current sweeping of real issues under the carpet.  I'm not
> >> > talking of a 'jock mentality' - that was common in the losing stage -
> >> > it's more to do with recognising how to contribute to the team and how
> >> > to do those things that facilitate others, feel good about that and
> >> > encourage it.
>
> >> > Part of our bondage is to do with what we consider winning to be and
> >> > managerial clowns who want to inspire their companies to be the
> >> > Manchester United of their commercial sector.  This misses the fact
> >> > that we'd be much better off with loads more people playing soccer
> >> > instead of watching vastly over-paid freaks who have never done a
> >> > day's work in their lives.  The story is always the same - 'global
> >> > competition' means we have to pay vast fees to have Man U, the
> >> > banksters, coffee shops and hotel chains who evade tax (legally
> >> > because we are such mugs - and in massive contradiction to espoused
> >> > ideologies and what is imposed on the rest of us) - or the players
> >> > will go elsewhere - and we are so useless we can't sell better coffee
> >> > and butties than Starwucks.  The first bondage we can't look in the
> >> > eye is libidinal - forced on us because we can't restrain the
> >> > libidinal economy.  This is essentially bondage to simplistic notions
> >> > of cause and effect and not seeing the wood for the trees.  We have
> >> > police and law because of bandits - yet can't apply this reasoning to
> >> > financial services and are subject to nightmare threats made real
> >> > through income deprivation, poverty and unemployment.  It's time (one
> >> > can only say with a hollow laugh) for change.
>
> >> > Anyone who fears the social engineering that might allow cultural
> >> > change for the better should not speak before looking at how we are
> >> > being engineered by the current financial system and the way it places
> >> > ownership and rents into a few hands - liberalism is, in fact, massive
> >> > engineering and a politburo rather than a free alternative.  I'll
> >> > believe we have an attempt at freedom when I can choose to work in a
> >> > cooperative zone in which we are all in control of the means of
> >> > production and wealth distribution.  Liberalism is so scared of this
> >> > we aren't allowed to try.  We are allowed spiritual reflection -
> >> > presumably because this is known to be fruitless.
>
> >> > On Dec 16, 1:23 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > >  I suspect we pre-select defeat in
> >> > > believing the condition impossible.
>
> >> > > A truer word was never spoke.  I suspect we often do, by rote, never
> >> > > knowing the limitations we, ourselves, impose in the process.
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> >> > > On Dec 16, 3:19 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > Slip and Gruff are missed.  Watched a Cronenberg film on Jung and
> >> > > > Freud last night - a bit limper than Japanese knots Don.  Here we are
> >> > > > clinging to a rock with no real idea of where we come from,
> >> > > > constrained by the speed of light (owing to the role of momentum in E
> >> > > > = mc2 and right angled triangles) and a biology that collapses in the
> >> > > > absence of gravity, has us slaves to genes and algorithms of an
> >> > > > information world that arises when chemicals get together.  The
> >> > > > insights of science debunk myths of origin for what they are - myths -
> >> > > > and yet knowing the chains of illusion seems little help in getting
> >> > > > beyond them.  We could be happier not knowing in the ignorant bliss
> >> > > > that waits for mass extinction not knowing it comes.  Politicians can
> >> > > > still get away with urging us to be proud of our nations (of the
> >> > > > Britain and USA using concentration camps in Southern Africa and the
> >> > > > Philippines around 1900 - the vile murders in the Congo originating in
> >> > > > Berlin meetings in the 1860s that continue today in imperialism's
> >> > > > changed form?).  We are bound by needs to make livings - something
> >> > > > technology has probably rendered unnecessary but we are still kept in
> >> > > > ideological shackles as surely as women caged in black bags.
>
> >> > > > There has to be more than this RP.  The spiritual turns with the
> >> > > > material and I'm not sure either has to 'come first'.  England look
> >> > > > like winning the Test series in India.  The game is now ultimately
> >> > > > dull with a day and a half to go and all of India praying for a
> >> > > > miracle.  I suspect rigsy and I would be plotting sight-seeing on our
> >> > > > way out through the beer tent and cooling gin had she been unwise
> >> > > > enough to venture forth to sample the cultural delights of such old
> >> > > > colonialism!  We'd just be hearing the Indian roar as the ball starts
> >> > > > to spin and the English captain is victim of a bad umpiring decision
> >> > > > not subject to technological review.  We'd still leave - there is only
> >> > > > so much cricket one can force on friends.  Relief from northern
> >> > > > hemisphere weather would be good though rigs.  I sense we are waiting
> >> > > > for a cultural-spiritual miracle as likely as one on the flat pitch in
> >> > > > Nagpur.  I suspect our bombardment with trivia is the problem Don.
> >> > > >  Much as i can imagine us together in a heroic last wicket stand
> >> > > > thwarting the guile of India's spinners (the first ever Test was
> >> > > > between the USA and Canada so you have the pedigree!), I guess the
> >> > > > good guy is the one who changes light bulbs for his old neighbours.
> >> > > > What might we be without material bondage and with religion we could
> >> > > > believe in other than myth RP?   I suspect we pre-select defeat in
> >> > > > believing the condition impossible.
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> >> > > > On Dec 15, 3:57 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> > > > > I know just what you mean.. Eric Clapton is exciting to listen to
> >> > > > > Allan
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> >> > > > > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > ...and here I thought this was going to be a lesson in interesting Japanese
> >> > > > > > knots. Maybe next time. i miss Slipdisc.
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> >> > > > > > I am bound by my morals. Even though i may step outside these boundaries
> >> > > > > > from time to time I generally feel bad about it and try to make amends as
> >> > > > > > i'm capable. I WANT to be the good guy. Problem with kids today(harrumph) is
> >> > > > > > they want to be bad boyzz. It's cooler.
>
> >> > > > > > The point on limitations is spot on. i hear a blistering solo from Eric
> >> > > > > > Clapton and am spell bound.  BB King I can do all day. Albert too. Clapton
> >> > > > > > is WAAAY outta my league. I don't even try anymore.
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> >> > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiNUZTyukC4
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> >> > > > > > dj
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> >> > > > > > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:24:51 AM UTC-6, RP Singh wrote:
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> >> > > > > >> Are we bound to see what we want to see? I am bound by Nature which
> >> > > > > >> consists of my body and brain and other individuals and the
> >> > > > > >> environment surrounding me.
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> >> > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > >> wrote:
> >> > > > > >> > We are bounded by our limitations and desires. In the end we can not see
> >> > > > > >> > all
> >> > > > > >> > there is to be seen and we see mainly what we want to see.
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> >> > > > > >> > On Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:51:07 AM UTC+1, RP Singh wrote:
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> >> > > > > >> >> It is I who see , I who hear, I who reason , imagine , understand ; and
> >> > > > > >> >> again it is I who am angry , loving , jealous ,  and I who act and
> >> > > > > >> >> react. So
> >> > > > > >> >> where is my bondage ???
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> >> > > > >   )
> >> > > > > |_D Allan
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> >> > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> >> > > > > I am a Natural Airgunner -
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