Re: Mind's Eye Re: A Book At Xmas or two

Actually Rigsy the comment of the Generous Rich is an insult though
there are a few and yes I have meet several among the rich they
appear to give massive amounts of money,, in reality they are
hoarders and an uncaring lot.. Look at the number of them living off
the national wage and giving the rest to or helping their fellow man.?
You said the comment I see it differently than you do..
Allan

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:10 AM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have we been insulted or complimented?
>
> On Dec 28, 3:25 pm, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I didn't get any books for Christmas, but Amazon and Douglas gift vouchers.
>> That's great! I'll be able to use them when I need something.
>>
>> I like reading here. No author could have come up with such an anarchic
>> plot, ghostly setting and high amount of under-performers and be able to
>> sell it as a product. :)
>>
>> I wouldn't be able to sign this thievery is the root of all evil theory.
>> The possessive 'have' causes wanted and unwanted effects, that's right
>> though. Control comes into play. The Golden Calf never to become an
>> ordinary cow or bull.
>>
>> Put back perspective in context and try again, I say.
>>
>> Am Freitag, 28. Dezember 2012 17:34:01 UTC+1 schrieb archytas:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > I finally have my own copy of David Graeber's 'Debt: the first 5000
>> > years', Hann and Hart's 'Economic Anthropology' and David Orell's
>> > 'Economyths' - I've been dip[ping in and already know they don't offer
>> > much I don't know or how to frame economics problems so enough of us
>> > could understand them. It's good to know others, like me, think
>> > thievery is the root and that the science alleged to be involved is
>> > counterfeit stuff from the 19th century. Graeber finishes by saying
>> > we should have a debt jubilee and start again (after historical
>> > analysis). I'll get through the books by posting them in the toilet
>> > and bathroom as relief from the day job. My guess is we are really as
>> > stuck in a confrontation with power as Burmese peasants stuck with a
>> > Chinese copper mine on their land. Graeber, an anarchist, sounds
>> > rather like Molly or Gabby or Allan in hoping love might usurp self-
>> > interest. I don't drink that soup for the soul! I rather see such
>> > condition as dessert after we grind out a materialist solution after
>> > we realise the rich have been having us on a butty.
>>
>> > On 28 Dec, 12:34, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Interesting, achy, my husband and I are in the same boat. I keep going
>> > > back to the classics on my shelf and the rare books yet uncovered that I
>> > > can find for a song at the internet bookseller. Mostly, we surf the web
>> > > for shreds of what is new in the research and come up short, as this is
>> > > passed on at a need to know basis and posted on the Internet after the
>> > > party or at the risk of indiscretion. Reading has been more interesting
>> > > during other phases of life for me.
>>
>> > > On Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:08:50 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
>>
>> > > > I do something similar to Molly. Reading is largely about trying to
>> > > > fly with ideas for me, different to the day-to-day. I suspect most
>> > > > people in here would like anyone who wants to to be able to access
>> > > > universities. I'd do this by changing what the university is. What
>> > > > we have actually been doing seems to be madness. We are graduating
>> > > > half our population without increasing 'working smarter' jobs or even
>> > > > considering whether this is really possible - the probability is we
>> > > > are devaluing graduate advantage just as we force kids into large debt
>> > > > to get the qualifications. Finance, traditionally an unwanted cost
>> > > > against production and sales, now leeches massive amounts from
>> > > > production we used to retain as wages and liquid capital amongst our
>> > > > 50% least well off (this was about 20% of GDP when I left school ans
>> > > > is down to less than 1%). What I find in reading is consistent
>> > > > distraction from what really matters. There isn't much difference
>> > > > between watch mainstream news, whatever entertainment is on offer and
>> > > > the academic vanity publishing. It feels as though there is nothing
>> > > > to read or watch.
>>
>> > > > On 27 Dec, 23:19, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > I don't agree on the body language or behavioural cues rigs - all
>> > the
>> > > > > tests done show we are about as reliable as the toss of a coin. The
>> > > > > people who are best at making us think we can read them are
>> > > > > psychopaths - three times more likely to secure parole from
>> > 'experts'.
>>
>> > > > > On 27 Dec, 09:15, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > Yes the rich have more opportunities and exposure to make more
>> > > > > > wealth.. why would you say that is Rigsy?? Why are not these
>> > > > > > opportunities and exposure created for the poor? .. they are the
>> > ones
>> > > > > > that need it. or could it be part of the perks of worshiping at
>> > the
>> > > > > > feet of the golden calf??
>> > > > > > Allan
>>
>> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 2:49 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > It may be the rich have more opportunities and exposure, Allan.
>> > > > Human
>> > > > > > > nature is human nature. Also, celebrity creates another kind of
>> > > > > > > challenge as the artist types gain fame and fortune- often to
>> > laugh
>> > > > at
>> > > > > > > their own popularity and adulation of the public and critics-
>> > > > Picasso
>> > > > > > > comes to mind, for instance- have a savage quote of his around
>> > here
>> > > > > > > somewhere.
>>
>> > > > > > > On Dec 25, 8:04 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> Oddly I think you have a better chance for good ethics among
>> > the
>> > > > poor
>> > > > > > >> over the rich,
>> > > > > > >> Allan
>>
>> > > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >> > I wonder if the researchers took into account that a truly
>> > > > ethical person
>> > > > > > >> > would not participate in the kind of rubbish that presents
>> > > > predictable
>> > > > > > >> > limited outcomes as fact. There may, indeed, be a
>> > correlation
>> > > > between
>> > > > > > >> > creativity and ethics, but I suspect it is more inclusive and
>> > > > requires
>> > > > > > >> > examination without the limits designed to define results. I
>> > keep
>> > > > going back
>> > > > > > >> > to the model of spiral dynamics, one that allows and
>> > understands
>> > > > that we all
>> > > > > > >> > move up and down and between memes during our lives given the
>> > > > circumstances
>> > > > > > >> > of our experience. Someone who does not have enough money
>> > for
>> > > > food may
>> > > > > > >> > cheat in this experiment more than someone who has never
>> > known
>> > > > financial
>> > > > > > >> > stress or hunger. Here is a pretty good explanation of the
>> > > > original Graves
>> > > > > > >> > material, although I've seen better, its the best I could
>> > find
>> > > > online this
>> > > > > > >> > morning.
>> > > >http://www.edumar.cl/documentos/SD_version_for_constellation5.pdf
>>
>> > > > > > >> > On Monday, December 24, 2012 5:58:21 PM UTC-5, archytas
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> A free paper with the ideas is at
>> > > > > > >> >>http://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Publication%20Files/11-064.pdf
>> > > > > > >> >> I was interested because I find professional ethics and
>> > > > religious
>> > > > > > >> >> morality collapse under circumstances of self-interest and
>> > > > become
>> > > > > > >> >> rationalisation. WE need creative solutions - but there is
>> > a
>> > > > dark
>> > > > > > >> >> side to creativity.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> On 24 Dec, 22:03, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >> >> > "The (Honest) Truth About Dishonesty: How We Lie to
>> > Everyone
>> > > > —
>> > > > > > >> >> > Especially Ourselves" by Dan Ariely asks a seemingly
>> > simple
>> > > > question —
>> > > > > > >> >> > "is dishonesty largely restricted to a few bad apples, or
>> > is
>> > > > it a more
>> > > > > > >> >> > widespread problem?" — and goes on to reveal the
>> > surprising,
>> > > > > > >> >> > illuminating, often unsettling truths that underpin the
>> > > > uncomfortable
>> > > > > > >> >> > answer. Like cruelty, dishonesty turns out to be a
>> > remarkably
>> > > > > > >> >> > prevalent phenomenon better explained by circumstances and
>> > > > cognitive
>> > > > > > >> >> > processes than by concepts like character.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> > Work like this is challenging traditional economics - the
>> > > > genre is
>> > > > > > >> >> > 'behavioural economics'. My own take on this book and a
>> > lot
>> > > > of work
>> > > > > > >> >> > from brain science and history is that we are at a tipping
>> > > > point in
>> > > > > > >> >> > respect of the possibility of a human science. I'd like
>> > to
>> > > > see a
>> > > > > > >> >> > broader literature take up this challenge beyond current
>> > > > drivel on
>> > > > > > >> >> > black and white hats.
>>
>> > > > > > >> >> > So what are you guys reading?
>>
>> > > > > > >> > --
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>> > > > > > >> --
>> > > > > > >> (
>> > > > > > >> )
>> > > > > > >> |_D Allan
>>
>> > > > > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>> > > > > > >> Of course I talk to myself,
>> > > > > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice..- Hide quoted text -
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>> > > > > > |_D Allan
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>> > > > > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

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