Re: Mind's Eye Re: Intelligent Design

I know I put it out there so what are your thoughts since you have put
the though into it what are they
Allan

On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 4:35 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Because you have put it forward in a previous thread and is there for
> everyone to contemplate and assess and give an opinion. Nothing
> personal , you know.
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>> why would you be even considering my mandala?
>> Allan
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>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 3:09 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You can understand only that which you are capable of understanding
>>> and no amount of reiteration can change that--but still one hopes. I
>>> have given a lot of consideration to your mandala , whether it is
>>> great or small , and I have to admit that you will find me to be an
>>> atheist in that regard.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That is not what you said,, you said god is Nature and nature is a
>>>> know form and shape (s) .. the argument you are using a definition
>>>> god is nature is one of atheism uses to prove their is no god..
>>>>
>>>> You are right I have known that for a long time you always come back
>>>> to the same point ,, again and again you have no freedom to learn and
>>>> what is more important is grow in spirituality..but that is what
>>>> happens when you beliefs that don't allow one iota of freedom. you
>>>> act as if you have all the freedom of the universe,, but you always
>>>> come back to the same point you have not one iota of freedom. in
>>>> other words you have no real beliefs just hand me down dogma and
>>>> doctrine which you dare not stray from.. that is okay souther baptist
>>>> are the same way.. no big deal salvation is based how you live your
>>>> life or let me see dharma
>>>>
>>>> You have no idea of what my relationship is with my God because it is
>>>> not your god and you do not to understand nor do you want to
>>>> understand the beliefs of others..
>>>>
>>>> You really are funny as you have no idea of your place on the great
>>>> mandala. much less mine. It is not my place to judge. RP you have no
>>>> real idea of what spirituality is.. there is a big difference between
>>>> me and you .. I am willing to learn
>>>> Allan
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:24 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> An atheist is a person who does not believe in God , whereas , Allan,
>>>>> to me God is more powerful than He is to you. My God is omnipotent and
>>>>> does not allow even an iota of freedom , whereas you are forever free
>>>>> to do as you wish and god like your father only scolds you and is
>>>>> before your eyes to hear and see. To me God is formless and
>>>>> unattainable , whereas you are always seeing Him and attain to Him
>>>>> when you reach that stage in your mandala.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> You are funny RP the argument is simple you are an devote atheist
>>>>>> and before your statement is the exact argument that has been used
>>>>>> for generations of atheists... Why would I search for deeper meaning
>>>>>> in statements of what I consider foolishness.. for your reading
>>>>>> information what you are trying to say is involved in
>>>>>> transcendentalism.. that can go in many directions and in itself is
>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>> You RP are the perfect Atheist by definition what is funnier you
>>>>>> don't know it.. lol
>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 12:03 PM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't understand your argument , but one thing is sure that I have
>>>>>>> never claimed to have had visions. I have always believed in an undual
>>>>>>> God , Nature or Atman which by my definition transcends awareness or
>>>>>>> to be blunt is unconscious. I know you have never read my posts
>>>>>>> carefully and thus your confusion regarding my statements and beliefs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry RP heard that discussion before over a coffee table in Florida
>>>>>>>> some `25 years ago and the person laying forth the argument is a
>>>>>>>> devote atheist argument and not new. simple one way to explain on
>>>>>>>> going life and expanding knowledge,, one used by atheist..
>>>>>>>> Now you are claiming that atheist believe in God.. verry confusing..
>>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:36 AM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Allan , an atheist is a person who doesn't believe in intelligent
>>>>>>>>> design. God and Nature are one and the same. Merry Christmas to you !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Allan H <allanh1946@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> you are a very confusing person RP ..one moment you claim to be
>>>>>>>>>> enlightened with visions and deep spiritual convictions and here you
>>>>>>>>>> are desperately trying to prove you are an atheist,, and atheism is
>>>>>>>>>> acceptable .. or are you just a confused puppy not knowing where to
>>>>>>>>>> turn?
>>>>>>>>>> Have a good holiday
>>>>>>>>>> Allan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 8:29 AM, RP Singh <1234rp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of believing in an Intelligent designer if we believe that
>>>>>>>>>>> Nature itself is inherently intelligent and things move on with an
>>>>>>>>>>> intelligent purpose , which though not easily recognizable as such, is
>>>>>>>>>>> in any case true may well be within your belief system , Neil. In
>>>>>>>>>>> spite of mayhem caused by natural disasters life still moves on and
>>>>>>>>>>> the fact that Nature will one day destroy all life and the universe
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't negate its intelligence. Growth doesn't move forward
>>>>>>>>>>> continuously but after a certain stage decay starts creeping in.
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything is born , grows , and dies and this is true for all
>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of Nature and doesn't negate its intelligent design.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:57 AM, archytas <nwterry@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tend to agree RP, though I don't stretch to an intelligent designer
>>>>>>>>>>>> other than as a possibility. We might be approaching a tipping point
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the reason for existence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Dec, 18:29, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The systematic way in which this body is formed and works shows that there
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is Intelligence in Nature and we won't be far wrong if we call it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent design. That which appears to be random choice is actually a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> high level of Intelligence.
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>>>>>>>>>> |_D Allan
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>>>>>>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>>>>>>>>>> Of course I talk to myself,
>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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>>>>>>>> |_D Allan
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>>>>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>>>>>>>> Of course I talk to myself,
>>>>>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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>>>>>> |_D Allan
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>>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>>>>>> Of course I talk to myself,
>>>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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>>>> |_D Allan
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>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>>>> Of course I talk to myself,
>>>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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>> |_D Allan
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>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

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