Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

The NRA is singing its old hymn I see. The Aussies did have a big
clamp-down that seems successful rigs. If the price of armed guards,
hospital treatment and such were factored into gun prices along with
civil litigation for mis-selling and so on ... I don't go for the self-
protection argument either - even cops have to admit the guy with the
knife or iron bar will beat them if within 21 feet and their own gun
is holstered.

On 19 Dec, 05:19, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why not just sell suicide kits with a cyanide capsule? You know the
> gun dealers have run out of clips in the last four days in case guns
> are outlawed so some people will still be fearfully armed. How about
> going back to duels or fistfights? It's all that testosterone.
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> On Dec 18, 12:00 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Most of the firearm killings are suicides - about twice as prevalent
> > as homicides in US firearms incidents.  Ethnicity is a big factor in
> > some states and not others.  I wonder how far we could get by leaving
> > the guns out of the argument to start with.  We wouldn't be much
> > bothered if these twerps just blew their own heads off.
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> > On Dec 18, 12:14 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > My brother Mike loved guns, and in his 20s moonlighted as a Hollywood
> > > bodyguard.  when he passed away, I found his hand gun, the only one he
> > > had left.  Beautiful, mahogany handle, I am sure it was worth a great
> > > deal, especially to him.  He and I were opposites in a few respects,
> > > not many.  guns have never been my thing, and I hope to go my whole
> > > life having not had one in my home.  It caused a big stir in my family
> > > when I turned his gun over to the local police dept.  I called to ask
> > > if they were interested, and the officer on the phone asked if the gun
> > > was loaded.  I said, 'you mean you want me to take it out of the
> > > holster?  I wouldn't know how."  He said, "I'll be right over."  He
> > > was there in five minutes and his eyes boggled when I showed him the
> > > gun.  It hands were shaking, it was a beauty, complete with brand new
> > > cleaning kit.  I couldn't bear to sell any of his things, and couldn't
> > > bear the thought of someone being hurt by the gun I had given away.
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> > > The topic of personal firearms, I have found, is like religion and
> > > politics.  The topic is often emotional and discussions heated.  There
> > > has not been a period in human history that I know of that has not
> > > included war and violence.  I would like to think we are evolving into
> > > a more peaceful existence, but see as much to the contrary as I do to
> > > support that wonderful hope.
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> > > There are ways to commune and live and think and feel that don't
> > > include violence.  the more we live and relate without it, the more we
> > > trust overall and less we feel the need to defend ourselves.  I can
> > > see how much difference one individual can make watching Detroit move
> > > from one Mayor with an ethnocentric view expressed with corrupt and
> > > violent language and behavior, to one with a world-centric view
> > > expressed with language and behavior that brings people together in a
> > > spirit of cooperation (not easy in a city torn apart.)
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> > > I'm with Gabs on this one, and don't feel guns are necessary but for
> > > trained folks in the service of their country or community as a chosen
> > > vocation (not hobby).  But that is an opinion.  And, I suppose, the
> > > freedom to bear arms if necessary, is as important as breathing.
> > > Because at one time or another, we are called upon to take the warrior
> > > aspect.  I have been fortunate that in my time, words were only
> > > necessary.  Although I have made that 911 call for assistance in my
> > > time, and was glad for the service.
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> > > My dad dropped bombs in the Pacific arena in WWII.  I can't imagine
> > > being called into that kind of horror.
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> > > On Dec 18, 5:17 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > You are totally in style with your attitude, Allan. Retro style is selling
> > > > like hell these days. I had to buy a snapback cap as a Christmas present
> > > > for my son, the latest rapper style, as the shop owner explained to me. He
> > > > still remembers how cool it was to have the hole in the back closed. And
> > > > Noah will get the latest assassins of creed game from my sister. The
> > > > likelihood that he'll have to deal with Americans from the California, New
> > > > York, Florida areas is higher than having to kill bears in the mountains.
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> > > > It's smelly in here, I need to go out and get some fresh air.
> > > > Am 18.12.2012 09:10 schrieb "Allan H" <allanh1...@gmail.com>:
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> > > > > I think you have a whole lot confused I have enjoyed trout fishing
> > > > > since I was a child.  and I love eating fresh fried trout..
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> > > > > I live in the Netherlands now and there is a great difference in
> > > > > cultures in relationship to guns,  I said nothing about the Europeans
> > > > > occupying america. there is nothing mythological about it and I am of
> > > > > European decent,, America was originally settled by native americans
> > > > > and the europeans that came and occupied and stole their land
> > > > > murdering them freely in the process is far form a myth
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> > > > > Now back to fishing to those who do not fish,, well I guess it might
> > > > > be romanticism I guess going to the gym or  swimming or jogging or
> > > > > what ever sport you enjoy fits in the same category.. hunting in the
> > > > > fall provided us with part of the meat we ate for dinner saving money.
> > > > > and the same with fishing. They were a regular part of our diet.. as
> > > > > it was and still is for many Montanans to this to this day..
> > > > > especially true with poor families..
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> > > > > It is very true that parents teach their children to survive in the
> > > > > area in which they live as it should be ..  if you live in big cities
> > > > > children have a totally knowledge of survival than my children and
> > > > > grand children have of survival in Butte Montana...  simple
> > > > > information that if you are a lady in and around your monthly cycle
> > > > > you don't go for a casual stroll in the woods where bears are known to
> > > > > in habit..  you just run the possibility of running into a male bear
> > > > > with romance on it's mind.  That doesn't mean it will happen every
> > > > > time  but it is a proven reason for unprovoked bear attacks..
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> > > > > Gabby did you risk letting your children be hit by a car crossing the
> > > > > street??   you have a greater chance of being hit by a car,, than be
> > > > > attacked by a bear.. especially if they know how to be prepared to
> > > > > deal with a bear properly.. It is the dumb tourist that go out and
> > > > > feed the bears...  that ranks in the totally dumb category they are
> > > > > not a totally cuddle toys you put on your bed  that can hurt or kill
> > > > > you and need to be treated with respect. I don't bait bear so that I
> > > > > can sell the information to tourist hunters,,  it is illegal  and i
> > > > > would wee that you a vacation in the prison for doing that.. baiting
> > > > > big game is illegal besides being immoral
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> > > > > Those are simple things you teach your children about survival..
> > > > > unfortunately some of the best trout fishing is is in bear country and
> > > > > I would not consider forcing my kids to stay in the house because they
> > > > > might be hit by a car or go fishing..  you teach them not to feed
> > > > > bears and how to camp correctly as to not attract bears..  how to
> > > > > handle guns safely
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> > > > > Still like a good fried fresh trout dinner,,  I know I am a savage babarian
> > > > > Allan
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> > > > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 1:48 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I hear we talking now, Allan. You are telling me that I cannot understand
> > > > > > the mythical importance of the Europeans occupying America narrative in
> > > > > your
> > > > > > culture that is not mine.
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> > > > > > Parents all over the world are teaching their children how to survive and
> > > > > > how to reach their goals! And going trout fishing is THE American way of
> > > > > > romanticizing but not talking about their own history. Parents generally
> > > > > > don't risk their children being eaten by wild bears. They rather feed the
> > > > > > bears and sell their inside knowledge of where to spot wild bears to
> > > > > tourist
> > > > > > bear hunters. Look at their average BMI and you know it's not their
> > > > > hunting
> > > > > > and eating too many trouts that formed these bodies. Also what makes you
> > > > > > think your weather is the most difficult and your mountains the highest?
> > > > > > Your God given grandezza? As for the wild and dangerous animals, they are
> > > > > > coming from the east here in mainland Europe, because that's where the
> > > > > iron
> > > > > > curtain fell. So watch out, they might soon reach the Netherlands again.
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> > > > > > As for the mass massacres of children and young people by male
> > > > > individuals,
> > > > > > we too have had them here in Germany and in Norway quite recently, and we
> > > > > > are practicing a different gun culture. The culture parallels seem to
> > > > > meet
> > > > > > elsewhere. In a different realm if you wish.
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> > > > > > 2012/12/17 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> > > > > >> oh there is a large difference between europe and the western hunting
> > > > > >> culture I was brought up in.. You teach your children to hunt  and
> > > > > >> survival skills..  camping was out in mountains and weather can be a
> > > > > >> bit trouble some you have to learn survival skills.. you never know
> > > > > >> what the mountains are going to be throwing at you and it can as
> > > > > >> simple as a storm in the middle July..
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> > > > > >> When I was young major highway US 10 was two lanes ,, and the two lane
> > > > > >> roads in the German countryside are better than the major highway..
> > > > > >> both my know how to handle guns very well and with proper gun safety.
> > > > > >> that is not important to you but if you are out trout fishing in the
> > > > > >> the back country it is very smart to have a high power rifle with you
> > > > > >> there are wild animals can hurt you  and you have a need be able to
> > > > > >> take care of yourself and your family..
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