On Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:47:58 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
ammunition also--
Allan
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmm an annual tax on all guns might be nice and any not registered for
> taxation an immediate confiscation,,
> Allan
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> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 5:39 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I can't think of it at the moment James. In one amazingly stupid
>> episode in Northern Ireland our government went in for disarming - and
>> disarmed the police. Ludicrous as this was, the 'Troubles' in the
>> late 60s/early 70s can rightly be described in part as a police riot.
>> 20 years of horror there could have been averted had we been able to
>> take the realities to heart as Molly suggests. The NRA farce reminded
>> me of our Parliament grilling managerial clowns from Google, Starbucks
>> and Amazon on tax avoidance - with them all claiming the highest
>> ethical standards - none of them 'knew' any details of where the
>> offshore money is, how much there is and how a company selling coffee
>> can manage not to pay corporation tax in the country they sell it in.
>> The managers were clearly patsies put up to evade revealing the
>> details - the politicians such dupes they had got the wrong people and
>> couldn't present an analysis of the books. The Starwucks twerp was
>> issuing propaganda on 'job creation' as though big companies like that
>> don't really trash more jobs in the competition.
>>
>> How will we raise the money for more cops Moll? - we need more here
>> too for equally pressing reasons. A tax on the gun owners? In
>> economic terms we are in the realm of externalities - gun purchase
>> doesn't include payment for the problems they cause - not dealing
>> early with our crooks and 'mad' people transfers the cost to victims
>> and so on. I think we should be dealing with these issues by
>> expanding civil society.
>>
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>> On 23 Dec, 01:55, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The best explanation I heard was the spokesperson who issued that tirade
>>> on Friday was a patsy, at best hiding behind the shield of popular
>>> opinion of the NRA servicing the lunatic fringe, while doing untold
>>> damage to the members they are supposed to represent (of which, opinion
>>> polls appear not to be mostly lunatics, nor in agreement with NRA policy
>>> positions), is in fact on the take from special industry interests, and
>>> at worst all-of-the-above without an ounce of reservation or conscience
>>> other than to lobbying interests. Triple agent theories aren't worth the
>>> energy, greed and ignorance sums up DC nicely indiscriminately IMO. Who
>>> would be in the best position to rile up fear among large populations
>>> and get the gov't to move it's pieces in line, who stands the most to
>>> gain? Does a rhetorical question require a question mark?
>>>
>>> Shame indeed Molly. This guy is probably destined to get canned within a
>>> year, and leave with a little severance bonus and a nice handful of
>>> chips to play in the next round of dupe the morons. Organized crime has
>>> a nasty word for it I can't remember, lend me a hand Archy?
>>>
>>> On 12/22/2012 8:02 AM, Molly wrote:
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>>> > I agree, Alan. there are issues with types of guns, number of guns,
>>> > guns accessible to folks with documented mental instability. Right to
>>> > bear arms is important. Right to own arsenals is another story. As
>>> > is right to carry into places that make others vulnerable because of
>>> > it. The NRA isn't far off, I think, on its position that if schools,
>>> > hospitals, stadiums etc need armed police then they should have them,
>>> > instead of giving everyone who walks in the building the right to
>>> > carry. However, the NRA, as usual, is using the tragedy to push their
>>> > agenda, and have the money to do it. I have always found this
>>> > unconscionable. Will never forget one of their political campaign
>>> > flyers that had a picture of the US President in the sight of a gun.
>>> > Unacceptable.
>>>
>>> > On Dec 22, 3:54 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> if the adults were running toward the killer then they must be kretes
>>> >> because hero fight like kretes.. and that is what they truly are not
>>> >> some one putting their own life first and hiding away.. No one has
>>> >> any business with assault rifles including all military..all military
>>> >> world wide.
>>> >> Allan
>>>
>>> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Don Johnson<daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> The truth is we can't protect against insanity. We can't do it against
>>> >>> crazed Muslims chasing 70 virgins in Paradise and we can't do it from
>>> >>> unsocialized mentally disturbed malcontents. We meaning society as a
>>> >>> whole of course. Without the guns perhaps this young man would have
>>> >>> chosen a bomb or a fire or sarin gas as an outlet for his rage. More
>>> >>> laws will have zero effect on this kind of tragedy. There was an
>>> >>> assault rifle ban in '94 that lasted 10 years and had no effect
>>> >>> whatsoever on gun violence.
>>>
>>> >>> Could this have been prevented? Well sure. Any number of things could
>>> >>> have been done differently to avoid what happened and those survivors
>>> >>> familiar with the situation that led up to the tragedy will likely
>>> >>> destroy themselves thinking "what if." Life is full of "what ifs." I
>>> >>> am thinking particularly of the father of the assassin here. No sane
>>> >>> parent could avoid feeling culpable here. The suffering around this
>>> >>> shooting is unimaginable to me.
>>>
>>> >>> My understanding is that most of the adults killed were running
>>> >>> TOWARDS the killer when they were shot down. They must have known they
>>> >>> would be killed but it may have allowed a child or two more to escape.
>>> >>> "Hero" doesn't seem to cut it. How differently would things have
>>> >>> turned out if one or more of these brave souls had a weapon on them?
>>> >>> What If.
>>>
>>> >>> Here's the thing. I think I could live just fine in a world without
>>> >>> weapons. I'm big and fairly strong and have the capability to befriend
>>> >>> or employ those bigger and stronger then me. I'll be just fine. What
>>> >>> about the children and the women? Guns are the great equalizer are
>>> >>> they not? Suddenly an 80lb 12 year old girl can stop a 200lb rapist.
>>> >>> I'm not saying all 12 year olds should be required to carry assault
>>> >>> rifles I'm just asking for some thought on who suffers most if guns
>>> >>> are outlawed. The weak, as always, suffer the most when choices are
>>> >>> removed from the table. The number of choices disappearning from my
>>> >>> society is alarming. From health care to banking and insurance and
>>> >>> investing. It's all getting more expensive and less user friendly.
>>> >>> TOO. MANY. LAWS.
>>>
>>> >>> But I digress.
>>>
>>> >>> dj
>>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> The NRA is singing its old hymn I see. The Aussies did have a big
>>> >>>> clamp-down that seems successful rigs. If the price of armed guards,
>>> >>>> hospital treatment and such were factored into gun prices along with
>>> >>>> civil litigation for mis-selling and so on ... I don't go for the self-
>>> >>>> protection argument either - even cops have to admit the guy with the
>>> >>>> knife or iron bar will beat them if within 21 feet and their own gun
>>> >>>> is holstered.
>>>
>>> >>>> On 19 Dec, 05:19, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>> Why not just sell suicide kits with a cyanide capsule? You know the
>>> >>>>> gun dealers have run out of clips in the last four days in case guns
>>> >>>>> are outlawed so some people will still be fearfully armed. How about
>>> >>>>> going back to duels or fistfights? It's all that testosterone.
>>>
>>> >>>>> On Dec 18, 12:00 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>>> Most of the firearm killings are suicides - about twice as prevalent
>>> >>>>>> as homicides in US firearms incidents. Ethnicity is a big factor in
>>> >>>>>> some states and not others. I wonder how far we could get by leaving
>>> >>>>>> the guns out of the argument to start with. We wouldn't be much
>>> >>>>>> bothered if these twerps just blew their own heads off.
>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Dec 18, 12:14 pm, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> My brother Mike loved guns, and in his 20s moonlighted as a Hollywood
>>> >>>>>>> bodyguard. when he passed away, I found his hand gun, the only one he
>>> >>>>>>> had left. Beautiful, mahogany handle, I am sure it was worth a great
>>> >>>>>>> deal, especially to him. He and I were opposites in a few respects,
>>> >>>>>>> not many. guns have never been my thing, and I hope to go my whole
>>> >>>>>>> life having not had one in my home. It caused a big stir in my family
>>> >>>>>>> when I turned his gun over to the local police dept. I called to ask
>>> >>>>>>> if they were interested, and the officer on the phone asked if the gun
>>> >>>>>>> was loaded. I said, 'you mean you want me to take it out of the
>>> >>>>>>> holster? I wouldn't know how." He said, "I'll be right over." He
>>> >>>>>>> was there in five minutes and his eyes boggled when I showed him the
>>> >>>>>>> gun. It hands were shaking, it was a beauty, complete with brand new
>>> >>>>>>> cleaning kit. I couldn't bear to sell any of his things, and couldn't
>>> >>>>>>> bear the thought of someone being hurt by the gun I had given away.
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The topic of personal firearms, I have found, is like religion and
>>> >>>>>>> politics. The topic is often emotional and discussions heated. There
>>> >>>>>>> has not been a period in human history that I know of that has not
>>> >>>>>>> included war and violence. I would like to think we are evolving into
>>> >>>>>>> a more peaceful existence, but see as much to the contrary as I do to
>>> >>>>>>> support that wonderful hope.
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> There are ways to commune and live and think and feel that don't
>>> >>>>>>> include violence. the more we live and relate without it, the more we
>>> >>>>>>> trust overall and less we feel the need to defend ourselves. I can
>>> >>>>>>> see how much difference one individual can make watching Detroit move
>>> >>>>>>> from one Mayor with an ethnocentric view expressed with corrupt and
>>> >>>>>>> violent language and behavior, to one with a world-centric view
>>> >>>>>>> expressed with language and behavior that brings people together in a
>>> >>>>>>> spirit of cooperation (not easy in a city torn apart.)
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I'm with Gabs on this one, and don't feel guns are necessary but for
>>> >>>>>>> trained folks in the service of their country or community as a chosen
>>> >>>>>>> vocation (not hobby). But that is an opinion. And, I suppose, the
>>> >>>>>>> freedom to bear arms if necessary, is as important as breathing.
>>> >>>>>>> Because at one time or another, we are called upon to take the warrior
>>> >>>>>>> aspect. I have been fortunate that in my time, words were only
>>> >>>>>>> necessary. Although I have made that 911 call for assistance in my
>>> >>>>>>> time, and was glad for the service.
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> My dad dropped bombs in the Pacific arena in WWII. I can't imagine
>>> >>>>>>> being called into that kind of horror.
>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 18, 5:17 am, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> You are totally in style with your attitude, Allan. Retro style is selling
>>> >>>>>>>> like hell these days. I had to buy a snapback cap as a Christmas present
>>> >>>>>>>> for my son, the latest rapper style, as the shop owner explained to me. He
>>> >>>>>>>> still remembers how cool it was to have the hole in the back closed. And
>>> >>>>>>>> Noah will get the latest assassins of creed game from my sister. The
>>> >>>>>>>> likelihood that he'll have to deal with Americans from the California, New
>>> >>>>>>>> York, Florida areas is higher than having to kill bears in the mountains.
>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> It's smelly in here, I need to go out and get some fresh air.
>>> >>>>>>>> Am 18.12.2012 09:10 schrieb "Allan H"<allanh1...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I think you have a whole lot confused I have enjoyed trout fishing
>>> >>>>>>>>> since I was a child. and I love eating fresh fried trout..
>>>
>>> ...
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