Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

it would be a new system.. one to be created,, you are fighting the
NRA (pain in the butt) this is the only way I can see that you can
avoid them saying you are interfering with the right to bear arms..
this way you have the right to own any gun only difference is you
have to pay taxes every year on that gun.. those that have great
hordes of weapons would have to pay an annual taxes that would
discourage this type of activity with out eliminating the right to
bear arms..

as for the revenue as it would be a new revenue source how it is
split would be created..

I can see the NRA saying we don't want to pay taxes getting them far
away from their comfort zone..
and you are right the time to strike is now.,, this idea is new?
but feasible and it would get control of assault style weapons via
taxes and the requirement to register all weapons you can not be told
that you are picking on one style of gun.. and part of the law could
include seizure of all un registered weapons..

just a thought
Allan

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Molly <mollyb363@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can't pretend to know anything about federal revenue streams, Alan, but do
> understand that whatever the system, including the current one or lack
> thereof, we all pay. The Sunday talking heads here all had much to say on
> the subject. This time something may be done before interest fades.
>
>
> On Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:18:40 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking Molly is require the registration of all guns and
>> pistols and tax them based on the danger to society with say single
>> shot guns to the lowest rate to fully automatic and statistical
>> weapon.. you are welcome to own them they have to be registered and
>> taxes have to be paid yearly and that tax not be used to lessen other
>> taxes.. it would serve to lower the desirability and at the same time
>> raise revenue for other things like providing for police forces and
>> school protection,
>> Allan
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Determining funding is always the best first step. Allowing facilities
>> > to
>> > opt in and out, based on their current security is essential. An
>> > estimated
>> > one third of US schools currently have armed security. I didn't think
>> > much
>> > of it knowing that the high school my kids attended had one full time,
>> > and
>> > sometimes more, local police on duty, along with other unarmed security.
>> > The guy that worked full time at the school was a friend, and felt
>> > himself
>> > fortunate to have the assignment. He was a kid at heart. A good cop
>> > too.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:47:58 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ammunition also
>> >> Allan
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Allan H <allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hmm an annual tax on all guns might be nice and any not registered
>> >> > for
>> >> > taxation an immediate confiscation,,
>> >> > Allan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 5:39 AM, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> I can't think of it at the moment James. In one amazingly stupid
>> >> >> episode in Northern Ireland our government went in for disarming -
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> disarmed the police. Ludicrous as this was, the 'Troubles' in the
>> >> >> late 60s/early 70s can rightly be described in part as a police
>> >> >> riot.
>> >> >> 20 years of horror there could have been averted had we been able to
>> >> >> take the realities to heart as Molly suggests. The NRA farce
>> >> >> reminded
>> >> >> me of our Parliament grilling managerial clowns from Google,
>> >> >> Starbucks
>> >> >> and Amazon on tax avoidance - with them all claiming the highest
>> >> >> ethical standards - none of them 'knew' any details of where the
>> >> >> offshore money is, how much there is and how a company selling
>> >> >> coffee
>> >> >> can manage not to pay corporation tax in the country they sell it
>> >> >> in.
>> >> >> The managers were clearly patsies put up to evade revealing the
>> >> >> details - the politicians such dupes they had got the wrong people
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> couldn't present an analysis of the books. The Starwucks twerp was
>> >> >> issuing propaganda on 'job creation' as though big companies like
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> don't really trash more jobs in the competition.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How will we raise the money for more cops Moll? - we need more here
>> >> >> too for equally pressing reasons. A tax on the gun owners? In
>> >> >> economic terms we are in the realm of externalities - gun purchase
>> >> >> doesn't include payment for the problems they cause - not dealing
>> >> >> early with our crooks and 'mad' people transfers the cost to victims
>> >> >> and so on. I think we should be dealing with these issues by
>> >> >> expanding civil society.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 23 Dec, 01:55, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> The best explanation I heard was the spokesperson who issued that
>> >> >>> tirade
>> >> >>> on Friday was a patsy, at best hiding behind the shield of popular
>> >> >>> opinion of the NRA servicing the lunatic fringe, while doing untold
>> >> >>> damage to the members they are supposed to represent (of which,
>> >> >>> opinion
>> >> >>> polls appear not to be mostly lunatics, nor in agreement with NRA
>> >> >>> policy
>> >> >>> positions), is in fact on the take from special industry interests,
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> at worst all-of-the-above without an ounce of reservation or
>> >> >>> conscience
>> >> >>> other than to lobbying interests. Triple agent theories aren't
>> >> >>> worth
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> energy, greed and ignorance sums up DC nicely indiscriminately IMO.
>> >> >>> Who
>> >> >>> would be in the best position to rile up fear among large
>> >> >>> populations
>> >> >>> and get the gov't to move it's pieces in line, who stands the most
>> >> >>> to
>> >> >>> gain? Does a rhetorical question require a question mark?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Shame indeed Molly. This guy is probably destined to get canned
>> >> >>> within
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> year, and leave with a little severance bonus and a nice handful of
>> >> >>> chips to play in the next round of dupe the morons. Organized crime
>> >> >>> has
>> >> >>> a nasty word for it I can't remember, lend me a hand Archy?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 12/22/2012 8:02 AM, Molly wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > I agree, Alan. there are issues with types of guns, number of
>> >> >>> > guns,
>> >> >>> > guns accessible to folks with documented mental instability.
>> >> >>> > Right
>> >> >>> > to
>> >> >>> > bear arms is important. Right to own arsenals is another story.
>> >> >>> > As
>> >> >>> > is right to carry into places that make others vulnerable because
>> >> >>> > of
>> >> >>> > it. The NRA isn't far off, I think, on its position that if
>> >> >>> > schools,
>> >> >>> > hospitals, stadiums etc need armed police then they should have
>> >> >>> > them,
>> >> >>> > instead of giving everyone who walks in the building the right to
>> >> >>> > carry. However, the NRA, as usual, is using the tragedy to push
>> >> >>> > their
>> >> >>> > agenda, and have the money to do it. I have always found this
>> >> >>> > unconscionable. Will never forget one of their political campaign
>> >> >>> > flyers that had a picture of the US President in the sight of a
>> >> >>> > gun.
>> >> >>> > Unacceptable.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > On Dec 22, 3:54 am, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> if the adults were running toward the killer then they must be
>> >> >>> >> kretes
>> >> >>> >> because hero fight like kretes.. and that is what they truly
>> >> >>> >> are
>> >> >>> >> not
>> >> >>> >> some one putting their own life first and hiding away.. No one
>> >> >>> >> has
>> >> >>> >> any business with assault rifles including all military..all
>> >> >>> >> military
>> >> >>> >> world wide.
>> >> >>> >> Allan
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Don Johnson<daj...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>> The truth is we can't protect against insanity. We can't do it
>> >> >>> >>> against
>> >> >>> >>> crazed Muslims chasing 70 virgins in Paradise and we can't do
>> >> >>> >>> it
>> >> >>> >>> from
>> >> >>> >>> unsocialized mentally disturbed malcontents. We meaning society
>> >> >>> >>> as
>> >> >>> >>> a
>> >> >>> >>> whole of course. Without the guns perhaps this young man would
>> >> >>> >>> have
>> >> >>> >>> chosen a bomb or a fire or sarin gas as an outlet for his rage.
>> >> >>> >>> More
>> >> >>> >>> laws will have zero effect on this kind of tragedy. There was
>> >> >>> >>> an
>> >> >>> >>> assault rifle ban in '94 that lasted 10 years and had no effect
>> >> >>> >>> whatsoever on gun violence.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> Could this have been prevented? Well sure. Any number of things
>> >> >>> >>> could
>> >> >>> >>> have been done differently to avoid what happened and those
>> >> >>> >>> survivors
>> >> >>> >>> familiar with the situation that led up to the tragedy will
>> >> >>> >>> likely
>> >> >>> >>> destroy themselves thinking "what if." Life is full of "what
>> >> >>> >>> ifs."
>> >> >>> >>> I
>> >> >>> >>> am thinking particularly of the father of the assassin here. No
>> >> >>> >>> sane
>> >> >>> >>> parent could avoid feeling culpable here. The suffering around
>> >> >>> >>> this
>> >> >>> >>> shooting is unimaginable to me.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> My understanding is that most of the adults killed were running
>> >> >>> >>> TOWARDS the killer when they were shot down. They must have
>> >> >>> >>> known
>> >> >>> >>> they
>> >> >>> >>> would be killed but it may have allowed a child or two more to
>> >> >>> >>> escape.
>> >> >>> >>> "Hero" doesn't seem to cut it. How differently would things
>> >> >>> >>> have
>> >> >>> >>> turned out if one or more of these brave souls had a weapon on
>> >> >>> >>> them?
>> >> >>> >>> What If.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> Here's the thing. I think I could live just fine in a world
>> >> >>> >>> without
>> >> >>> >>> weapons. I'm big and fairly strong and have the capability to
>> >> >>> >>> befriend
>> >> >>> >>> or employ those bigger and stronger then me. I'll be just fine.
>> >> >>> >>> What
>> >> >>> >>> about the children and the women? Guns are the great equalizer
>> >> >>> >>> are
>> >> >>> >>> they not? Suddenly an 80lb 12 year old girl can stop a 200lb
>> >> >>> >>> rapist.
>> >> >>> >>> I'm not saying all 12 year olds should be required to carry
>> >> >>> >>> assault
>> >> >>> >>> rifles I'm just asking for some thought on who suffers most if
>> >> >>> >>> guns
>> >> >>> >>> are outlawed. The weak, as always, suffer the most when choices
>> >> >>> >>> are
>> >> >>> >>> removed from the table. The number of choices disappearning
>> >> >>> >>> from
>> >> >>> >>> my
>> >> >>> >>> society is alarming. From health care to banking and insurance
>> >> >>> >>> and
>> >> >>> >>> investing. It's all getting more expensive and less user
>> >> >>> >>> friendly.
>> >> >>> >>> TOO. MANY. LAWS.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> But I digress.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> dj
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:27 AM, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com>
>> >> >>> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>> The NRA is singing its old hymn I see. The Aussies did have a
>> >> >>> >>>> big
>> >> >>> >>>> clamp-down that seems successful rigs. If the price of armed
>> >> >>> >>>> guards,
>> >> >>> >>>> hospital treatment and such were factored into gun prices
>> >> >>> >>>> along
>> >> >>> >>>> with
>> >> >>> >>>> civil litigation for mis-selling and so on ... I don't go for
>> >> >>> >>>> the
>> >> >>> >>>> self-
>> >> >>> >>>> protection argument either - even cops have to admit the guy
>> >> >>> >>>> with
>> >> >>> >>>> the
>> >> >>> >>>> knife or iron bar will beat them if within 21 feet and their
>> >> >>> >>>> own
>> >> >>> >>>> gun
>> >> >>> >>>> is holstered.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>> On 19 Dec, 05:19, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>>>> Why not just sell suicide kits with a cyanide capsule? You
>> >> >>> >>>>> know
>> >> >>> >>>>> the
>> >> >>> >>>>> gun dealers have run out of clips in the last four days in
>> >> >>> >>>>> case
>> >> >>> >>>>> guns
>> >> >>> >>>>> are outlawed so some people will still be fearfully armed.
>> >> >>> >>>>> How
>> >> >>> >>>>> about
>> >> >>> >>>>> going back to duels or fistfights? It's all that
>> >> >>> >>>>> testosterone.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>> On Dec 18, 12:00 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>> Most of the firearm killings are suicides - about twice as
>> >> >>> >>>>>> prevalent
>> >> >>> >>>>>> as homicides in US firearms incidents. Ethnicity is a big
>> >> >>> >>>>>> factor in
>> >> >>> >>>>>> some states and not others. I wonder how far we could get
>> >> >>> >>>>>> by
>> >> >>> >>>>>> leaving
>> >> >>> >>>>>> the guns out of the argument to start with. We wouldn't be
>> >> >>> >>>>>> much
>> >> >>> >>>>>> bothered if these twerps just blew their own heads off.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>> On Dec 18, 12:14 pm, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> My brother Mike loved guns, and in his 20s moonlighted as a
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Hollywood
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> bodyguard. when he passed away, I found his hand gun, the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> only one he
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> had left. Beautiful, mahogany handle, I am sure it was
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> worth
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> a great
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> deal, especially to him. He and I were opposites in a few
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> respects,
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> not many. guns have never been my thing, and I hope to go
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> my
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> whole
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> life having not had one in my home. It caused a big stir
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> in
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> my family
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> when I turned his gun over to the local police dept. I
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> called
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> to ask
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> if they were interested, and the officer on the phone asked
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> if
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> the gun
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> was loaded. I said, 'you mean you want me to take it out
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> of
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> holster? I wouldn't know how." He said, "I'll be right
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> over." He
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> was there in five minutes and his eyes boggled when I
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> showed
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> him the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> gun. It hands were shaking, it was a beauty, complete with
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> brand new
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> cleaning kit. I couldn't bear to sell any of his things,
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> and
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> couldn't
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> bear the thought of someone being hurt by the gun I had
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> given
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> away.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> The topic of personal firearms, I have found, is like
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> religion
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> and
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> politics. The topic is often emotional and discussions
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> heated. There
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> has not been a period in human history that I know of that
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> has
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> not
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> included war and violence. I would like to think we are
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> evolving into
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> a more peaceful existence, but see as much to the contrary
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> as
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> I do to
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> support that wonderful hope.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> There are ways to commune and live and think and feel that
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> don't
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> include violence. the more we live and relate without it,
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> more we
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> trust overall and less we feel the need to defend
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> ourselves.
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> I can
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> see how much difference one individual can make watching
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Detroit move
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> from one Mayor with an ethnocentric view expressed with
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> corrupt and
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> violent language and behavior, to one with a world-centric
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> view
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> expressed with language and behavior that brings people
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> together in a
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> spirit of cooperation (not easy in a city torn apart.)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> I'm with Gabs on this one, and don't feel guns are
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> necessary
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> but for
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> trained folks in the service of their country or community
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> as
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> a chosen
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> vocation (not hobby). But that is an opinion. And, I
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> suppose, the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> freedom to bear arms if necessary, is as important as
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> breathing.
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Because at one time or another, we are called upon to take
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> warrior
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> aspect. I have been fortunate that in my time, words were
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> only
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> necessary. Although I have made that 911 call for
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> assistance
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> in my
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> time, and was glad for the service.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> My dad dropped bombs in the Pacific arena in WWII. I can't
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> imagine
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> being called into that kind of horror.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 18, 5:17 am, gabbydott<gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> You are totally in style with your attitude, Allan. Retro
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> style is selling
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> like hell these days. I had to buy a snapback cap as a
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Christmas present
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> for my son, the latest rapper style, as the shop owner
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> explained to me. He
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> still remembers how cool it was to have the hole in the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> back
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> closed. And
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Noah will get the latest assassins of creed game from my
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> sister. The
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> likelihood that he'll have to deal with Americans from the
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> California, New
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> York, Florida areas is higher than having to kill bears in
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> the mountains.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> It's smelly in here, I need to go out and get some fresh
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> air.
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Am 18.12.2012 09:10 schrieb "Allan
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> H"<allanh1...@gmail.com>:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> I think you have a whole lot confused I have enjoyed
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> trout
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> fishing
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> since I was a child. and I love eating fresh fried
>> >> >>> >>>>>>>>> trout..
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> ...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> read more »
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > (
>> >> > )
>> >> > |_D Allan
>> >> >
>> >> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >> >
>> >> > Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> > Sometimes I need expert advice..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> (
>> >> )
>> >> |_D Allan
>> >>
>> >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >>
>> >> Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> (
>> )
>> |_D Allan
>>
>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>
> --
>
>
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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

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