Re: Mind's Eye Re: Newtown Killings

one decent person could make the difference


On 12/16/2012 5:36 PM, Molly wrote:
> This was a disturbed child who bounced in an out of school and his
> mother home schooled him for awhile. Knowing this, his mother also
> kept a collection of guns in the house, some that were used in this
> killer's final, violent act. Who is culpable? The society who allows
> folks to collect semi automatic weapons in their home, homes that also
> have people with known mental illness living in them. The people who
> buy the guns and don't think about the danger of them falling into the
> wrong hands? The known whacko that finally snaps? A country that
> goes around and around about these issues and does little to prevent
> the tragedies they produce?
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> Hard to think it is spirit in action. but I know it is. and we are.
> and, as Neil points out, we are all culpable with our nonchalant
> acceptance of violent expressions in our daily lives.
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> On Dec 16, 3:55 pm, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> But violence and cynicism are quite obvious and popular in our western
>> culture, in fact, celebrated; no wonder the undercurrent churns and
>> explodes. This tragedy seems to have punched me out. Job was no help
>> but classical music on the radio seems to help- the orchestra reminds
>> me of the beauty humans can create together. The public grade school
>> my children attended had a great music teacher back in the day who
>> would put on an operetta that would bring tears to your eyes. We can't
>> terrify the young and ruin their child memories of Christmas with this
>> and we might pay more attention to the news around the world and
>> realize troubles and violence around the world-yes, esp. in Syria
>> right now.//I could never carry a weapon- just a tiny Swiss Army
>> knife- that's it. But if I were to defend something, I guess I'd have
>> to. Anyway- this man broke into the school by-passing security. He
>> seems too evil to pray for- the way he killed his mother and then why
>> would he continue his rampage at his former grade school? Such hatred!
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>> On Dec 16, 1:14 pm, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> The undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.
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>>> Yes, indeed.
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>>> On Dec 16, 12:22 pm, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> The debates/action seem to have gone nowhere Molly. One can even
>>>> wonder whether collapsing lobby power and vast money in US politics
>>>> would help by preventing the NRA targeting politicians wanting to make
>>>> the anti-stand. The speed of our response to similar incidents in the
>>>> UK has been very poor and I favour more weapons being carried by our
>>>> police (though some idiot cop attacked a blind guy with a Taser
>>>> recently, claiming his white stick was a Samurai sword). The
>>>> undercurrent of violence leads to all of us becoming suspect.
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>>>> On Dec 16, 3:10 pm, Allan H<allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>> the concept of more guns less death is totally erroneous, many people
>>>>> especially those that have to have many guns have a problem.. My job
>>>>> required me to carry a pistol and it was concealed, Truth is I hated
>>>>> it.. and was written upon more than one occasion for not carrying my
>>>>> weapon.the truth is if you kill some one you can never give it back..
>>>>> if you cause injury it is permanent. anyone wanting to carry a
>>>>> concealed weapon is really not all there I am sorry.
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>>>>> I still love target practice and go through about 500 pellets a
>>>>> month,, my pistol now is a little pump crosman .177 and it is a blast
>>>>> I have more fun sitting in my back yard plinking away and my yard is
>>>>> only 12 meters long.. my wife and I have a competition going.. we
>>>>> don't miss and the groups are a tight as the pistol is capable of.
>>>>> the truth is It is far more fun than I have ever had with any of the
>>>>> guns I have owned .. and the cheapest.. to allow nuts to carry
>>>>> concealed weapons.. no wonder I like it over here..
>>>>> Allan
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>>>>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Molly<mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I suspect that this is one of those Michigan issues that James was
>>>>>> referring to as there is legislation before the governor now that
>>>>>> would extend the right to carry laws currently on the books to include
>>>>>> those facilities now excluded like arenas, convention centers,
>>>>>> hospitals, schools etc.......
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>>>>>> I completely agree that the problem is not with the guns, and that
>>>>>> agendas are being driven at every opportunity. But I must say, as one
>>>>>> working in a facility that may host 100,000/day, that anyone
>>>>>> discharging a firearm at any time would create crowd control issues
>>>>>> wherein a multitude of folks would die or suffer injury from causes
>>>>>> other than gunshot. The equation that more guns=less death is indeed
>>>>>> questionable. Whether or not we will ever be able to eliminate crazy
>>>>>> is also. Answers don't come easy, and we often spin our wheels
>>>>>> looking for them rather than making any real progress,
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>>>>>> On Dec 16, 7:43 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> It's impossible to think about tragedies like Newtown without just
>>>>>>> wishing they didn't happen and sorrow for the victims and bereaved.
>>>>>>> In western Europe we tend to see such events as American and a result
>>>>>>> of lunatic gun control. A fair representation of this thinking can be
>>>>>>> found in today's Observer - a liberal Sunday broadsheet.http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/16/newtown-shooting-...
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>>>>>>> The gist is one in ten thousand will die through firearm use in the US
>>>>>>> every year with more deaths than in Syria in its civil war. Arguments
>>>>>>> on this issue quickly degenerate with some saying the answer is to arm
>>>>>>> more decent people (so they can shoot the creeps and limit damage) or
>>>>>>> the right to bear arms to protect democracy from government.
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>>>>>>> The real question is how we can stop scum, creeps, nutters and people
>>>>>>> pushed over the edge from using violence against others. We are all
>>>>>>> frankly wide open to this and the problem of what happens to our
>>>>>>> societies because of measures taken in prevention. I wonder whether
>>>>>>> answers to this may be well outside gun law and the NRA opposition to
>>>>>>> it - this 'debate' has, after all, gone nowhere forever - much as we
>>>>>>> have not prevented our governments pursuing imperialist wars or race
>>>>>>> to the bottom global economics.
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>>>>> |_D Allan
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>>>>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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>>>>> I am a Natural Airgunner -
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