Re: Mind's Eye Re: Women's Issues

I'm not socialist rigs - more an anti-free rider - whether of an
underclass or the Ubermensch. Charles Hugh Smith does the position
rather well and he's really libertarian. Our intellectual-bildung
class has long prevented a form of democracy I want that is thwarted
by assumption 'we' know better than the rabble, women, undeveloped
peoples and so on. I smoke too - at least sometimes (off them at the
moment). Our cold snap has been replaced by more seasonal miserable
rain.


On 14 Dec, 14:48, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With all due respect- that you certainly deserve...The wealthy can be
> as dysfunctional as the poor. Socialism guarantees that a portion of
> the population will regard the system as an excuse. And gender can be
> the same trap- think like a man but act like a lady- or the macho
> gorillas- or the gold-diggers, etc.//Women were kept in their place
> during the 19th C- look at the stink raised by George Sand and others
> when they bucked the system. Women were gracious objects- breeders- or
> mistresses or sad streetwalkers- well, I could go on. Back to the
> convents and nunneries? But plenty of women have great intelligence-
> it's a matter of where they apply it and what they consider as
> rewards.//I twisted my knee chipping ice yesterday and a heating pad
> seems to have worked- I have never been a fan of electric blankets for
> some reason. And I do remember those hot water bottles from long ago
> with their quilted covers- a prep for cuddling on a cold winter's
> night, perhaps.//I do think tribes and rigid systems determined the
> roles of the sexes and classes but that's been dismembered-literally.
> And think of the courage involved to be independent and struggle
> against the odds- humanity at its best, often.//My daughter has sent
> 22 boxes of stuff ahead during the last month- she inherited my
> mother's shopaholic gene- big time- but is a darling and anyway, I
> smoke so we adjust to our individual vices. Have been so happy out and
> about but another stormy weekend is coming, The shovellers did the
> best job ever on our 12" snowfall and I am so glad I chose the right
> service. Thank you, God. See? Prayer works!
>
> On Dec 14, 6:17 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I'd generally want to leave the issues to the people who experience
> > them rigs.  My guess is the deep problem is about wealth distribution
> > and employment relationships.  One can only wonder what we'd be like
> > if a decent living wage and work-life balance was guaranteed - I think
> > most of today's 'issues' would disappear - though no doubt we'd have
> > another set to cope with.
> > I was always jealous of the experimenters and theorists of the 19th
> > century - Maxwell, Faraday, Pascal, Watt, Joule, Mendelev, Darwin - it
> > was something of a surprise to me to find bunches of social
> > researchers at around the same time making more sense than the guff we
> > get now.  ED Morel, Veblen, Durkheim, William James, Ely, Henry
> > George, Marx, Hume, Kant - the list is almost endless and I struggle
> > to think of any women, something I regard as gravely suspicious.  I
> > could no doubt link the work of, say, EP Thompson, Karl Polanyi and
> > Judith Butler on precarious life and Dorothy Hodgkin to my scientists
> > - but all the work tends to be male and stuck in a class-perspective
> > even today.
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> > My own sense of this is that argument glues us up in gender-class
> > perspectives.  On the Internet generally there is little dialogue
> > aimed at mutual understanding and vast amounts of backfire - prejudice
> > just re-enforcing itself.  I tend to think feminism has spotted
> > something of the flaws in the structure of argument.  My own sense is
> > they are deeper than gender and to do with a lack of economic
> > generosity and the role of 'knowledge' in control - and the dearth of
> > spirituality that isn't just about agreement.
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> > My grandson's X-box charger has just arrived.  I'm about to do the
> > food shopping - which will be somewhat curbed as I'm still a stone off
> > my target weight of 13 st.  Sue bought me an electric blanket for Xmas
> > after exploding my microwave-able hot water bottle (actually the mag-
> > whatever that powers the microwave was on its last legs and we were
> > cooking everything twice - the new one has dials rather than a
> > confusing digital interface).  My room faces north and I can never be
> > bothered to put the gas fire on.  All I need now is a shotgun to
> > remove various cats and Maxwell from the bed!
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> > On Dec 14, 1:13 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > The topic is extremely complicated- as I am sure you already know and
> > > I don't envy your police work as I think domestic abuse has to be a
> > > nightmare with the unexpected ever able to erupt after a 911 call. But
> > > we could explore many of the issues- one being the choice of
> > > victimhood and martyr role or undeserving of happiness,etc. and that
> > > could apply to both sexes. Both have strengths and weaknesses that
> > > overlap in supposed gender definition and it alters with many factors
> > > from early childhood to advanced age- some of it is hormonal. And
> > > single parents certainly have to enlarge their role to be both parents
> > > as far as influence goes. Frankly I can be very sweet and jolly and
> > > also have been as hard as nails in certain situations- though big
> > > mischief ensued when I got mixed up as to which hat to grab. Or was it
> > > intended? Sometimes it is hard to tell. Anyway, I think Iron Man was
> > > started by a local poet here in response to militant feminism and
> > > seemed pretty goofy. Didn't care for his poetry or literary criticism
> > > either. Oh, well.//Have been a busy bee- food enough for Napoleon's
> > > Grande Armee and now my daughter thinks it would be fun to eat out a
> > > lot! We will compromise...
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> > > On Dec 13, 7:56 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > One can sometimes help by giving a glimpse of a different world in
> > > > which obscured violence in this one is revealed for what it is.  We
> > > > search for ways to get the powerful (at whatever level) to listen
> > > > effectively to the demands of others.  In abuse cases we stress
> > > > listening to the victims.  This is both an obvious step and a mistake
> > > > at the same time.  The tragedy is that victims tend to be easy meat
> > > > for destablisation in credibility terms by perpetrators, lawyers,
> > > > smear and public reception - and collective assumptions and experience
> > > > of false claims, fantasies rather than memories (PTSD is a classic
> > > > area - even if the truth is being told through fictions) and
> > > > investigator experience of all this.  I once visited a house on a hill
> > > > pointed out by three separate victims only to find it did not have the
> > > > cellars in which the abuse was claimed to have happened (and was owned
> > > > by an old lady and her cats).  I'd say most incidents I dealt with as
> > > > a young cop that were based on claims by members of the public
> > > > (without an obvious crime scene or traffic accident) bordered on being
> > > > false or trivial.  Missing from homes were a classic.  The real
> > > > incidents were buried in the false or trivial reporting.  What real
> > > > victims need is investigation that provides evidence separate from
> > > > their reports - but this is expensive, time-consuming and many
> > > > pressures arise on street-level bureaucrats to recommend no further
> > > > action.  We have even seen social workers and cops deciding 12 and 13
> > > > year old kids were choosing a prostitution lifestyle rather than being
> > > > abused.
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> > > > Trails are laid in our history from such apparently differing areas as
> > > > the 'weakness of women' to the origins of (say) World War 1 (rotten
> > > > Germans rather than, say, the mad Winston Churchill and a British
> > > > invasion of Iraq by mostly Indian army - possibly inspired by fears
> > > > democracy was getting out of hand -  Churchill has form for using
> > > > troops to suppress workers against law established after the
> > > > Featherstone massacre in 1893).  The questions aren't just about how
> > > > control fraud myths are held together, but also what can be evidence
> > > > in a public domain of ignorance.  Cops would now be sacked for
> > > > treating abuse claimants the way lawyers do in court - we rarely
> > > > change enough of the system.  The women I see talking about women's
> > > > issues often seem the very kind already protected and who have no
> > > > concern for the wider sisterhood coping in poverty and the rest
> > > > (violent partners etc) other than to allow their own profitable
> > > > politically correct publicity.  I suspect one of the big issues is
> > > > control of 'welfare' and its use in control.
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> > > > On 13 Dec, 12:34, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > Time does pass, difficult or otherwise.  Our language and behavior during
> > > > > those times form our relationships in ways we understand, and often, in
> > > > > ways we don't.
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> > > > > On Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:19:53 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> > > > > > When it comes to life one thing I am sure o is This to shall pass..
> > > > > > some times are just harder than other times.
> > > > > > Allan
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> > > > > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Having suffered a whopping case of PTSD during my divorce, I do
> > > > > > understand.
> > > > > > > Not at all like living through the baby's colic, because justification
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > not an issue.  The baby came first, his comfort and care - not knowing
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > that entailed, really, at the level of the unseen, just knowing that
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > was more than meets the eye involved.
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> > > > > > > Suffering through the abuse of another is a warriors task.  The
> > > > > > opportunity
> > > > > > > to stand and come through the experience with integrity in tact.  It is
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > it is.  Life.
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> > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:51:53 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
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> > > > > > >> Remarkable what extent even abuse such as persistent shouting can
> > > > > > >> deform minds Molly.  Our dog is a beast of peace.  I wouldn't ask
> > > > > > >> obedience from him beyond keeping him safe.  We used to demand such
> > > > > > >> from women.  I wonder how this was resisted to the point no reasonable
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