On Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:19:53 AM UTC-5, Allan Heretic wrote:
When it comes to life one thing I am sure o is This to shall pass..--
some times are just harder than other times.
Allan
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Molly <moll...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having suffered a whopping case of PTSD during my divorce, I do understand.
> Not at all like living through the baby's colic, because justification was
> not an issue. The baby came first, his comfort and care - not knowing what
> that entailed, really, at the level of the unseen, just knowing that there
> was more than meets the eye involved.
>
> Suffering through the abuse of another is a warriors task. The opportunity
> to stand and come through the experience with integrity in tact. It is what
> it is. Life.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 8:51:53 AM UTC-5, archytas wrote:
>>
>> Remarkable what extent even abuse such as persistent shouting can
>> deform minds Molly. Our dog is a beast of peace. I wouldn't ask
>> obedience from him beyond keeping him safe. We used to demand such
>> from women. I wonder how this was resisted to the point no reasonable
>> man should expect it? And how we might learn more resistance to other
>> social-cultural inequality and the poor state of universal suffrage?
>>
>> On Dec 12, 12:18 pm, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > My youngest had colic for more than six less than seven months, and I
>> > remember it well. He also came out full of energy and would run in
>> > circles
>> > around a room for the longest time. I filled it full of balloons once
>> > and
>> > he loved it, but was chastised by the doctor who was afraid he might
>> > break
>> > one and inhale it. We do what we must to keep the joy in difficult
>> > experience. I can tell you that now my 25 year old youngest son is a
>> > calm,
>> > wonderful, loving person who knows how to support the people he loves,
>> > inequality
>> > having felt so in his younger years.
>> >
>> > Sounds to me like you have the stuff of a wonderful dad, Ash. Life gives
>> > us
>> > experiences we cannot think our way through to teach us that the mind is
>> > not always necessary, and we are often the better for moving beyond it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, December 9, 2012 11:31:11 PM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>> >
>> > > My last semester was rough, my older son is full of energy and mom had
>> > > to take a break. The first six months are pretty much blank, some
>> > > people
>> > > called it a "colic" but for the longest time I just remember holding
>> > > him
>> > > all night humming and rocking, up every two hours all night for a
>> > > bottle
>> > > or comforting, then 'have to be to work in an hour' and get up from
>> > > sitting position on the couch, set him in the carseat and throw on
>> > > something lacking the wet spot in the lap (every night). The mind goes
>> > > to a different place when enduring, but despite being very passive and
>> > > thinking way too much I'm hardheaded as hell so all I said was, "Give
>> > > it
>> > > time sweety, please don't make me choose, I'll do whatever it takes."
>> >
>> > > After a look at the therapy forum open on our other computer I decided
>> > > there were many things I just can't say. It's best to acknowledge my
>> > > failures with a measure of dignity. Perhaps I'm at an advantage having
>> > > no idea what it means to be a man. It has taken some time in study to
>> > > connect categorically with the species, and it has taken a bit more
>> > > than
>> > > science, sociology, and psychology has offered.
>> >
>> > > Rigsy I hope you don't take my glacial speed personally, there's way
>> > > too
>> > > much to sort out on this end. At least that is the safer 'stoic'
>> > > appearance to show. Which 'right reason'? From what I've seen it only
>> > > exists in territorial dominance (or hermetic orders :p ). Not sure
>> > > what
>> > > type of contribution to the study this is Archy, but here it is.
>> >
>> > > On 12/6/2012 11:58 AM, archytas wrote:
>> > > > One possible resolution is to change our ideas on childcare. I'm
>> > > > not
>> > > > sure the focus has to be so much in the home. From the point of
>> > > > view
>> > > > of women and men wanting to have kids and look after them the system
>> > > > has lots of roadblocks - not least childcare and the times it is
>> > > > available (and cost). The big snag with creating decent lifestyles
>> > > > is
>> > > > one needs radical change and it's no use waiting for socialist
>> > > > utopia
>> > > > or robot heaven - which would be chimera anyway.
>> > > > Most of my students with young kids found it hard to start lectures
>> > > > at
>> > > > 9 a.m. or attend in the evening or the afternoon after 3 p.m. At
>> > > > the
>> > > > same time we had staff in the same position very good at slotting
>> > > > their timetables between 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. The provision of
>> > > > childcare was always 'under review' rather than a reality. The
>> > > > obvious answer is to get more flexibility and childcare in schools
>> > > > throughout the year. This is a non-starter in 'business reality'.
>> >
>> > > > On 6 Dec, 13:06, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >> Which leads to over-compensation and a new prejudice
>> > > >> often/sometimes.
>> > > >> My maternal history spanned biblicals but somehow I was able to be
>> > > >> mostly a stay-at-home mom which even the children were grateful for
>> > > >> and I hope to revive some of those skills with my grand-daughters
>> > > >> as
>> > > >> change is on the way. I have truly missed family this last dozen
>> > > >> years. But I do see the additional stress on young women trying to
>> > > >> juggle all those "hats"- I even felt jealous of men dashing off to
>> > > >> their office when I had toddlers plus business on my mind.
>> >
>> > > >> On Dec 6, 4:24 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>> My own feeling on the work side of equality is we have to do too
>> > > >>> much
>> > > >>> of it and that there is, in fact, plenty of time in a 40 year work
>> > > >>> span for ten years off to deal with early child carrying and
>> > > >>> nurture
>> > > >>> (or alternatives). We are trying to establish equality in an
>> > > >>> already
>> > > >>> misunderstood and warped system.
>> >
>> > > >>> On 5 Dec, 00:39, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>> Actually, where I am going to is economics and job creation since
>> > > >>>> women are now equal in western countries and have embraced
>> > > >>>> working
>> > > >>>> outside the home or must be a co-bread-winner due to the cost of
>> > > >>>> living. Plus all must compete with the machine and technology or
>> > > >>>> competitive foreign labor. There are dozens of side issues such
>> > > >>>> as
>> > > >>>> longer life spans, over-population, impact of financial and
>> > > government
>> > > >>>> mismanagement, etc.//I tend to view the two sexes as a
>> > > >>>> reader/failed
>> > > >>>> writer- as types through history and am not very sentimental
>> > > >>>> though
>> > > >>>> culture continues to send mixed messages even currently.//It's
>> > > >>>> lovely
>> > > >>>> that you had such a positive experience with your own family
>> > > >>>> despite
>> > > >>>> Tolstoy thinking happy families were all alike and possibly not
>> > > >>>> interesting to him as a writer. I think them fortunate although I
>> > > >>>> suppose there is a sense of quest and heroic attempts for those
>> > > >>>> less
>> > > >>>> blessed that warms the soul.//Frankly, the Duchess is reminding
>> > > >>>> me of
>> > > >>>> how ill I was with my first pregnancy with no tlc or hospital-
>> > > finally
>> > > >>>> my mother-in-law had to take charge. Also another thing- my kind
>> > > >>>> neighbor laughing he was glad he wasn't a woman after his
>> > > >>>> daughter-in
>> > > >>>> law's very difficult/dangerous labor (over 2 days) and delivery.
>> > > Don't
>> > > >>>> worry- I bit my tongue.
>> >
>> > > >>>> On Dec 4, 4:11 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>>> My Mum and elder sister were pretty strong characters and it
>> > > >>>>> never
>> > > >>>>> really crossed my mind to treat anyone with other than the
>> > > >>>>> respect I
>> > > >>>>> felt for them. I see where you re coming from rigs. The
>> > > >>>>> repression
>> > > >>>>> is ongoing in some minds and reality around the world. We are
>> > > >>>>> just
>> > > >>>>> changing our gender bias in 'heir to the throne rankings' so
>> > > >>>>> that
>> > > >>>>> female children get equal place. Quite why we haven't worked
>> > > >>>>> out
>> > > the
>> > > >>>>> real issue has nothing to do with gender and everything to do
>> > > >>>>> with
>> > > >>>>> throwing out the Royals I don't know. If the gender-free
>> > > inheritance
>> > > >>>>> rules had pertained 100 years before WW1 the British King in
>> > > >>>>> 1914
>> > > >>>>> would have been - er - Kaiser Wilhelm!
>> > > >>>>> There clearly are women's issues (men's, gays etc.) - and I
>> > > >>>>> doubt
>> > > they
>> > > >>>>> can or should be exclusively derived 'within gender' or
>> > > >>>>> sub-classes
>> > > -
>> > > >>>>> though this doesn't preclude groups talking the stuff through on
>> > > such
>> > > >>>>> a basis. I tend to think there has been progress, but I'm not
>> > > >>>>> sure
>> > > >>>>> how this has come about, if it has.
>> >
>> > > >>>>> On 4 Dec, 04:01, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>>>> Thanks.// I think your reaction can be traced back to the time
>> > > >>>>>> when
>> > > >>>>>> men were considered the main/only source of security so women
>> > > >>>>>> were
>> > > >>>>>> more likely to protect that; it really is more complicated,
>> > > however.
>> > > >>>>>> Earlier homesteading and farming offered a different balance- a
>> > > very
>> > > >>>>>> important role for the female that gave her a natural or
>> > > >>>>>> necessary
>> > > >>>>>> equality. But younger couples are working on a balance, as I
>> > > >>>>>> see
>> > > it.//
>> > > >>>>>> Was going to bring Hesiod into the mix as he set out a horrid
>> > > >>>>>> description of females in the "Theogeny" (IX, 507-616), written
>> > > >>>>>> in
>> > > 8
>> > > >>>>>> B.C.. I vaguely remember the professor saying he probably was
>> > > >>>>>> an
>> > > ugly
>> > > >>>>>> farmer who was spurned by women so he took his revenge. But
>> > > >>>>>> given
>> > > the
>> > > >>>>>> date, it is close to the Eden story. Another work came to mind
>> > > written
>> > > >>>>>> in the 1950's that I have poked around- "America As A
>> > > >>>>>> Civilization"
>> > > by
>> > > >>>>>> Max Lerner- particularly Chapter VIII/Section 6- "The Ordeal of
>> > > >>>>>> the
>> > > >>>>>> American Woman" which captures some of what I was looking for
>> > > >>>>>> in
>> > > way
>> > > >>>>>> of explanation for my parent's generation. I think he captured
>> > > >>>>>> it-
>> > > for
>> > > >>>>>> a man. :-)
>> >
>> > > >>>>>> On Dec 3, 8:34 am, archytas<nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>>>>> Your new account is off moderation rigsy. I've always been
>> > > >>>>>>> struck
>> > > >>>>>>> that women talking and acting for themselves are not reflected
>> > > >>>>>>> in
>> > > the
>> > > >>>>>>> literature and that some of the characters most dangerous to
>> > > >>>>>>> equal
>> > > >>>>>>> opportunity are female.
>> >
>> > > >>>>>>> On 2 Dec, 06:27, rigs<rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > >>>>>>>> On Saturday, December 1, 2012 10:30:37 AM UTC-6, archytas
>> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>>>> The Body Class and Work Disability Discrimination Equality
>> > > >>>>>>>>> of
>> > > Opportunity Identity Politics Multiculturalism Objectification
>> > > Parenthood
>> > > and Procreation Power Race Rape Reproduction and the Family Science
>> > > The
>> > > Self Sex and Gender Sex Markets Trans Issues These are just some of
>> > > the
>> > > topics I thought I could put forward in teaching gender issues in
>> > > management. They underlie the bland politically correct policy
>> > > matters. One
>> > > thing has always occurred to me as missing in every debate I can
>> > > remember.
>> > > Women are as bad as men as managers. I equate equality with
>> > > hospitality
>> > > (always two-sided at least) and suspect we don't realise behaviour is
>> > > much
>> > > less to do with gender or the individual than we think and perhaps has
>> > > little to do with rationality. I don't think we see the wood for the
>> > > trees
>> > > on gender.
>> >
>> > > >>>>>>>> How unlike anything EVER mentioned to me as a girl or young
>> > > woman. I suppose we depended on family tradition, religion and
>> > > etiquette as
>> > > we were groomed for marriage via mystery, motherhood and homemaking.
>> > > Groomed, indeed!- Hide quoted text -
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|_D Allan
Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
I am a Natural Airgunner -
Full of Hot Air & Ready To Expel It Quickly.
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