Re: Mind's Eye Re: the majority opinion

Of course, I meant herd mentality. Now, off to work!

On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation between heard
> mentality and majority thinking might be in order.  It is possible
> there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but gross
> generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one that is
> unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be dangerous,
> and a great manipulator can take advantage.  History bears this out on
> many occasions.
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> On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > what ever andrew
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> > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your own opinion. In
> > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority opinion is
> > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and disrespect. All opinions
> > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy?
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> > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
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> > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it has no
> > >> idea what it is.  because of that it is the easiest to control being
> > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea of what
> > >> it believes as well as willing to believe  the comforting lie rather
> > >> tan the simple truth.
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> > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most comprehensive....
> > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most correct, or the most
> > >> > moral
> > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority opinion is not
> > >> > personal.
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> > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
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> > >> >> .......I think we know
> > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our impotence -
> > >> >> understanding more of why might help.
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> > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of
> > >> >> > illnesses,
> > >> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a protestant
> > >> >> > work
> > >> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope you
> > >> >> > can
> > >> >> > decipher my shorthand by now.
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> > >> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> > >> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on going,
> > >> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other  killing
> > >> >> > > is
> > >> >> > > based off religious superiority,
> > >> >> > > Whats the difference..    ??
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> > >> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> > > wrote:
> > >> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a classic,
> > >> >> > > > Allan.
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> > >> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> > >> >> > > >> A better example Riggs   and sadly enough  is Islam in today's
> > >> >> > > >> world..
> > >> >> > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day.
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> > >> >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent history-
> > >> >> > > >> > that's all
> > >> >> > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as explicated
> > >> >> > > >> > by
> > >> >> > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a wave- to
> > >> >> > > >> > use
> > >> >> > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at the
> > >> >> > > >> > base,
> > >> >> > > >> > it is
> > >> >> > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when dissent is
> > >> >> > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble.
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> > >> >> > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way?
> > >> >> > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty positive
> > >> >> > > >> >> spin
> > >> >> > > >> >> and
> > >> >> > > say:
> > >> >> > > >> >> the
> > >> >> > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of Americans
> > >> >> > > >> >> is
> > >> >> > > happily
> > >> >> > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over there.
> > >> >> > > >> >> :)
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> > >> >> > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs wrote:
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> > >> >> > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon going
> > >> >> > > >> >> > along
> > >> >> > > with
> > >> >> > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is that of
> > >> >> > > >> >> > dissent
> > >> >> > > >> >> > but
> > >> >> > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob mentality.
> > >> >> > > >> >> > When
> > >> >> > > >> >> > you
> > >> >> > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that the
> > >> >> > > >> >> > pattern
> > >> >> > > >> >> > is to
> > >> >> > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to other
> > >> >> > > >> >> > areas
> > >> >> > > >> >> > of
> > >> >> > > >> >> > life.
> > >> >> > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt so
> > >> >> > > >> >> > "membership"
> > >> >> > > >> >> > can
> > >> >> > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc.
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> > >> >> > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > absolute
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > bane
> > >> >> > > of
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would have
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > to
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > be the
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > concept of the "majority opinion".  The moment men began
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > refusing
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > to
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking "What
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > does
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > everyone
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > else think?", they set themselves up for an endless
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > future
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > of
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > failures.  We are, of course, very social beings, and our
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > natures
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in what
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > some
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > might
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > call
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > a "tribal imperative".  However, this imperative to
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > organize
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > is
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > often
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the psychological
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > mechanisms
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > behind it.  Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and exploit the
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > inherent
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them into
> > >> >> > > abandoning
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or some
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > abstract
> > >> >> > > and
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal.  When successful, the organization of a
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > culture
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe or a
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > community
> > >> >> > > of
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective of
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > soulless
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > sheep.
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> > >> >> > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they also
> > >> >> > > desperately
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > want to understand the environment around them.  Often,
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > the
> > >> >> > > desire
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > to
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict.  In
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > some
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > societies,
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his search
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > for
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > truth
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > and
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others.  This causes a
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > severe
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > mental
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > and
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > emotional disturbance within a population.  In order to
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > reconcile
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does not
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > nurture
> > >> >> > > their
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > quest for transparency, they tend to unconsciously cling
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > to
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > the
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > "majority view" as if their very existence depends on it.
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > The
> > >> >> > > idea
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > of
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > the majority view or the "mainstream", gives people the
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > sense
> > >> >> > > that
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > they are a part of a group, and at the same time, gives
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > them
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > the
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > illusion of being informed.
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> > >> >> > > >> >> > > The above from Zerohedge - is it right?  What does it say
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > about
> > >> >> > > our
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > general ability to argue rationally?  I agree with what
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > is
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > said
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > here -
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > yet believe it suggests we need a radical alternative of
> > >> >> > > education
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > as
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > we have experienced it.- Hide quoted text -
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> > >> >> > > >> >> - Show quoted text -
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> > >> >> > > >> > --
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> > >> >> > > >> --
> > >> >> > > >>  (
> > >> >> > > >>   )
> > >> >> > > >> |_D Allan
>
> > >> >> > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > >> >> > > >> Of course I talk to myself,
> > >> >> > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>
> > >> >> > > >> --
>
> > >> >> > > > --
>
> > >> >> > > --
> > >> >> > >  (
> > >> >> > >   )
> > >> >> > > |_D Allan
>
> > >> >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > >> >> > > Of course I talk to myself,
> > >> >> > > Sometimes I need expert advice..
>
> > >> >> > > --
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> > >> > --
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> > >> --
> > >>  (
> > >>   )
> > >> |_D Allan
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