Re: Mind's Eye Re: the majority opinion

what ever andrew

On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <andrewvecsey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your own opinion. In
> my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority opinion is
> mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and disrespect. All opinions
> should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy?
>
> On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it has no
>> idea what it is. because of that it is the easiest to control being
>> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea of what
>> it believes as well as willing to believe the comforting lie rather
>> tan the simple truth.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most comprehensive....
>> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most correct, or the most
>> > moral
>> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority opinion is not
>> > personal.
>> >
>> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>> >>
>> >> .......I think we know
>> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our impotence -
>> >> understanding more of why might help.
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of
>> >> > illnesses,
>> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a protestant
>> >> > work
>> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope you
>> >> > can
>> >> > decipher my shorthand by now.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on going,
>> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other killing
>> >> > > is
>> >> > > based off religious superiority,
>> >> > > Whats the difference.. ??
>> >> >
>> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a classic,
>> >> > > > Allan.
>> >> >
>> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> A better example Riggs and sadly enough is Islam in today's
>> >> > > >> world..
>> >> > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day.
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent history-
>> >> > > >> > that's all
>> >> > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as explicated
>> >> > > >> > by
>> >> > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a wave- to
>> >> > > >> > use
>> >> > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at the
>> >> > > >> > base,
>> >> > > >> > it is
>> >> > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when dissent is
>> >> > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble.
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way?
>> >> > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty positive
>> >> > > >> >> spin
>> >> > > >> >> and
>> >> > > say:
>> >> > > >> >> the
>> >> > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of Americans
>> >> > > >> >> is
>> >> > > happily
>> >> > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over there.
>> >> > > >> >> :)
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon going
>> >> > > >> >> > along
>> >> > > with
>> >> > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is that of
>> >> > > >> >> > dissent
>> >> > > >> >> > but
>> >> > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob mentality.
>> >> > > >> >> > When
>> >> > > >> >> > you
>> >> > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that the
>> >> > > >> >> > pattern
>> >> > > >> >> > is to
>> >> > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to other
>> >> > > >> >> > areas
>> >> > > >> >> > of
>> >> > > >> >> > life.
>> >> > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt so
>> >> > > >> >> > "membership"
>> >> > > >> >> > can
>> >> > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the
>> >> > > >> >> > > absolute
>> >> > > >> >> > > bane
>> >> > > of
>> >> > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would have
>> >> > > >> >> > > to
>> >> > > >> >> > > be the
>> >> > > >> >> > > concept of the "majority opinion". The moment men began
>> >> > > >> >> > > refusing
>> >> > > >> >> > > to
>> >> > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking "What
>> >> > > >> >> > > does
>> >> > > >> >> > > everyone
>> >> > > >> >> > > else think?", they set themselves up for an endless
>> >> > > >> >> > > future
>> >> > > >> >> > > of
>> >> > > >> >> > > failures. We are, of course, very social beings, and our
>> >> > > >> >> > > natures
>> >> > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in what
>> >> > > >> >> > > some
>> >> > > >> >> > > might
>> >> > > >> >> > > call
>> >> > > >> >> > > a "tribal imperative". However, this imperative to
>> >> > > >> >> > > organize
>> >> > > >> >> > > is
>> >> > > >> >> > > often
>> >> > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the psychological
>> >> > > >> >> > > mechanisms
>> >> > > >> >> > > behind it. Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and exploit the
>> >> > > >> >> > > inherent
>> >> > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them into
>> >> > > abandoning
>> >> > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or some
>> >> > > >> >> > > abstract
>> >> > > and
>> >> > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal. When successful, the organization of a
>> >> > > >> >> > > culture
>> >> > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe or a
>> >> > > >> >> > > community
>> >> > > of
>> >> > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective of
>> >> > > >> >> > > soulless
>> >> > > >> >> > > sheep.
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they also
>> >> > > desperately
>> >> > > >> >> > > want to understand the environment around them. Often,
>> >> > > >> >> > > the
>> >> > > desire
>> >> > > >> >> > > to
>> >> > > >> >> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict. In
>> >> > > >> >> > > some
>> >> > > >> >> > > societies,
>> >> > > >> >> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his search
>> >> > > >> >> > > for
>> >> > > >> >> > > truth
>> >> > > >> >> > > and
>> >> > > >> >> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others. This causes a
>> >> > > >> >> > > severe
>> >> > > >> >> > > mental
>> >> > > >> >> > > and
>> >> > > >> >> > > emotional disturbance within a population. In order to
>> >> > > >> >> > > reconcile
>> >> > > >> >> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does not
>> >> > > >> >> > > nurture
>> >> > > their
>> >> > > >> >> > > quest for transparency, they tend to unconsciously cling
>> >> > > >> >> > > to
>> >> > > >> >> > > the
>> >> > > >> >> > > "majority view" as if their very existence depends on it.
>> >> > > >> >> > > The
>> >> > > idea
>> >> > > >> >> > > of
>> >> > > >> >> > > the majority view or the "mainstream", gives people the
>> >> > > >> >> > > sense
>> >> > > that
>> >> > > >> >> > > they are a part of a group, and at the same time, gives
>> >> > > >> >> > > them
>> >> > > >> >> > > the
>> >> > > >> >> > > illusion of being informed.
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> > > The above from Zerohedge - is it right? What does it say
>> >> > > >> >> > > about
>> >> > > our
>> >> > > >> >> > > general ability to argue rationally? I agree with what
>> >> > > >> >> > > is
>> >> > > >> >> > > said
>> >> > > >> >> > > here -
>> >> > > >> >> > > yet believe it suggests we need a radical alternative of
>> >> > > education
>> >> > > >> >> > > as
>> >> > > >> >> > > we have experienced it.- Hide quoted text -
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> >> - Show quoted text -
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> --
>> >> > > >> (
>> >> > > >> )
>> >> > > >> |_D Allan
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> > > >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
>> >> >
>> >> > > >> --
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>> >> > > > --
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>> >> > > --
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>> >> > > )
>> >> > > |_D Allan
>> >> >
>> >> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Of course I talk to myself,
>> >> > > Sometimes I need expert advice..
>> >> >
>> >> > > --
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>> > --
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>> |_D Allan
>>
>> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>>
>> Of course I talk to myself,
>> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.

Of course I talk to myself,
Sometimes I need expert advice..

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