Re: Mind's Eye Re: the majority opinion

It will all end in tears! The rugby league season starts tonight.

On Jan 31, 3:39 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's too late- major sports are strrictly business and this model has
> even filtered down to school leagues.
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> On Jan 30, 6:34 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Not only is that true Allan - but there are clear institutional forms
> > that would prevent the worst of it.
> > Eyes on Spain, as I understand, on a drugs expose.  The best game of
> > rugby league I can think of is the 1978 Challenge Cup Final between
> > Leeds and St. Helens.  The guys were all part-timers.  The best soccer
> > - Newcastle beaten by amateurs Blythe Spartans on a mud heap with a
> > spectacular goal winning the third replay by a bloke named Radford.
> > Some mate reminded me the other day that my own spectacular length of
> > the field effort at Sheffield had two cigarette breaks in it and that
> > a modern team would have smashed me behind my own try line (this bit
> > true - I never smoked in the rugby season).  I played against amateur
> > sides that could out-muscle us - typically mining teams.  Now training
> > - legal or otherwise - has made professional teams massive in
> > comparison with the lower leagues.  Every team had its Walter Peyton,
> > though we were usually smaller and even dodgier - now even the best of
> > all time (an Aussie exile called Brian Bevan)  would be an accessory
> > no modern attritional  team could afford.  Our diets were often
> > restricted - now they are on 6,500 calories a day.  I was only ever
> > any good in mud - so am inclined to think modern, dry, flat pitches
> > are not exactly 'level playing fields' in the spirit of the term.
> > This has been a mud week in the UK and several giant-killing feats
> > occurred in the soccer cup.  I'm an old crank!
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> > There should be no professional sport - match fees and a day job
> > should do.  That we can spend fortunes on such as the Olympic freak
> > show should tell us something about economics, not least we can
> > organise stuff like that but not build decent homes, water
> > supplies ... I despise the situation Allan.  I used to think the
> > question was how to achieve decent living conditions and fairness
> > without going Soviet (clearly a major spoiler) - but now I think we've
> > gone Soviet anyway.  The Uk took more medals than the Germany that now
> > includes the DDR that used to 'outshine' all.  One has to wonder why!
> > Our disabled athletes did even better - improving attitudes towards
> > the disabled so much we immediately shut Remploy factories that
> > employed them, dumping them into the individual, personal care of
> > shyster corporations associated with our jobcentres (a strange term
> > for places with no jobs in them). Needless to say there has been no
> > redeployment.  Behind their backs the newly appreciated disabled are
> > being called idle, workshy scum ... and the new aware, caring
> > maojority don't give a flying rocking horse dropping.
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> > On 30 Jan, 10:25, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > In the US the american political system for the most part is sold to
> > > the highest bidder since regean sold off the country..  untill there
> > > is a major change in political output ending the greed and self
> > > centered activity  putting america first rather than their pocket book
> > > or political gain..
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> > > Sadly world wide self interest is placed before the interest of humanity
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> > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:08 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On the ignorance of the majority we have this -
> > > >http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-29/why-are-american-voters-so-u...
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> > > > In research into he evaluation of management education I used to ask
> > > > individuals present in classes to rate the class from 0 - 10 within an
> > > > hour of finish (usually high) and then put a few questions on content
> > > > memory (usually low, sometimes zero).  I repeated this after three and
> > > > six months - al  ratings going down a little and content memories
> > > > evaporating.  I sat through classes myself and it seemed people were
> > > > paying attention and sometimes actively engaged.  The only book I saw
> > > > being used in the library was the comedic but accurate 'Up the
> > > > Organisation'.  Memories of the content of that were very good, as was
> > > > memory of project work.  I can remember (more accurately) the content
> > > > of a project on the life history of the turbot done aged 10 than the
> > > > content of management education books on the topics I teach.
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> > > > I suspect the majority ignorance on politics has a lot to do with it
> > > > not being important or interesting - perhaps not even accessible - and
> > > > largely irrelevant to ordinary lives.  Many of the people we vote in
> > > > are lawyers and we generally rate them as pond life.
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> > > > On 29 Jan, 20:21, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> as steroids go the current home run king did it while on drugs,,  the
> > > >> base ball of hall of fame said that was okay..  and put him in it
> > > >> making him a hero... drug use and all ..  now where is the USADA
> > > >> and their stripping him of his record and banning him from sports for
> > > >> life?? Oh i forgot the Baseball officials paid them off.. so it is
> > > >> okay;;  to big of money involved
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> > > >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 8:16 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > I consider myself an equal opportunity critic, Allan. Was quite
> > > >> > critical of Bush 41 and 43.
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> > > >> > On Jan 29, 1:06 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> yes sports is dangerous stuff ,,steroids are not uncommon  also
> > > >> >> carried on though pro sports  oops I forgot they buy off the drug czar
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> > > >> >> I do not see why you really don't look into what is going on instead
> > > >> >> of just spout republican rhetoric..
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> > > >> >> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:59 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> > I should have added independence from family, sex and drinking though
> > > >> >> > the latter two are primed in highschool. Also, students can read and
> > > >> >> > write but many need (forgot the term) classes to improve their skills.
> > > >> >> > Not sure if handwriting/grammar is even a factor anymore. // Then
> > > >> >> > there's sports- though Obama thinks it is dangerous stuff along with
> > > >> >> > gun ownership so soon American men/women will be civilian wimps. But
> > > >> >> > the military is an alternative to college/poor employment
> > > >> >> > opportunities so there is always an answer unless one considers
> > > >> >> > military service a risk and who would do that?
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> > > >> >> > On Jan 28, 8:57 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> Considering that many movers and shakers were lucky to get a
> > > >> >> >> highschool education back in the '20's and '30's and that some recent
> > > >> >> >> innovators dropped out of college one does start to question the
> > > >> >> >> process. Add up the loan debt, as well. College may be a form of the
> > > >> >> >> caste system, networking or opportunity/income leveler. I repeat my
> > > >> >> >> stated opinion that college is a respectable place to park ones
> > > >> >> >> children for some parents. It used to be a place to meet a mate but
> > > >> >> >> now a career is the object since two can no longer live as cheaply as
> > > >> >> >> one. Often college entrants still cannot read or write plus now they
> > > >> >> >> have expectations of a certain level of hype and bedazzlement.//
> > > >> >> >> Teachers burn out in some subjects because it's 24/7- just in
> > > >> >> >> correcting essay exams and term papers plus checking for plagiarizims,
> > > >> >> >> etc. and because they are expected to be sort of a pseudo-parent/
> > > >> >> >> nursemaid/sex-object/inspiration all while getting published to prove
> > > >> >> >> their value/worth to the institution.//Once one learns to read and
> > > >> >> >> comprehend they can teach themselves most anything. A library card
> > > >> >> >> will do...
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> > > >> >> >> On Jan 28, 6:39 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >> >> >> > Strangely enough Lee I do experience that!  Brian Clough should have
> > > >> >> >> > been England manager!  One finds a lot of arrogant ignorance in
> > > >> >> >> > classrooms and a lot of stereotyping by teachers and students.
> > > >> >> >> > Teaching is often a weird experience and difficult to drop from the
> > > >> >> >> > system - something pretty important to let learning take place.  I
> > > >> >> >> > don't use textbooks unless I've given up on a class that won't fend
> > > >> >> >> > for itself (some demand spoonfeeding and find discovery learning
> > > >> >> >> > terrifying).  It's easy enough to get classes round to looking at work
> > > >> >> >> > motivation in terms of the content and process theories of 'chapter
> > > >> >> >> > three' and regurgitate what's there.  To a man jack they'd all give up
> > > >> >> >> > work if they won the lottery, suggesting a rather different theory.
> > > >> >> >> > I'm sure the books are mostly wrong and that more than that the need
> > > >> >> >> > for basic texts is a combination of bad teachers and commercial
> > > >> >> >> > pressures to get bums through seats.  I try to met people do what
> > > >> >> >> > interests them, what they want to find and express - but as in all
> > > >> >> >> > human activity there is a problem with people promising 'your own way'
> > > >> >> >> > who don't mean it.  And it's much more difficult today to defend
> > > >> >> >> > students who don't toe to the party line.  Is it possible to 'respect
> > > >> >> >> > ignorance' but at the same time fail it?  What is a person who wants
> > > >> >> >> > to stay ignorant doing in a learning environment?  Further down the
> > > >> >> >> > line one often finds research leads one to the conclusion that what's
> > > >> >> >> > taught is rubbish - something one might also achieve just in reacting
> > > >> >> >> > to a teacher one doesn't like without doing the hard work!  Our
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