Re: Mind's Eye Re: the majority opinion

Not seen Django yet but Sue bought me the Deadwood box set recently.
This is themed around a society emerging around symbols (gold) and was
originally to be set in Rome with the symbol of the cross.
The Nazis were some kind of religious sect rigs - quite how they got
to power and the real origins of the world wars is contentious - some
have it down to Anglo-Saxon skulduggery. Current examples on this
theme are the various McJihad movements we've been sponsoring - Saudi
Arabia is such a western construction. Once in power such groups have
proved highly manipulable. As a teacher of adults one could give up
to despair on how little school has taught other than resistance to
inquiry. Most social thinking is constrained by ideologies like the
Calvinist work ethic that are sorely out of place in the modern
world. Majority learning even where we have universal schooling
(something we do with horses) is a disaster area.
Zerohedge is libertarian and tends to view the majority problem in the
light of another myth - that of heroic individualism. I'm pondering
an alternative - but all seems chattering if we can't address the
real; issues. We see such stuff as the Arab Spring but never see what
really matters - the governments form behind closed doors after
elections in which majorities manage to vote in dictatorships-in-the-
making.

On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of illnesses,
> deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a protestant work
> ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope you can
> decipher my shorthand by now.
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> 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on going,
> > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other  killing is
> > based off religious superiority,
> > Whats the difference..    ??
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> > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a classic, Allan.
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> > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> > >> A better example Riggs   and sadly enough  is Islam in today's world..
> > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day.
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> > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent history- that's all
> > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as explicated by
> > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a wave- to use
> > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at the base, it is
> > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when dissent is
> > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble.
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> > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way?
> > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty positive spin and
> > say:
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of Americans is
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> > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over there. :)
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> > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs wrote:
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> > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon going along
> > with
> > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is that of dissent
> > >> >> > but
> > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob mentality. When you
> > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that the pattern is to
> > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to other areas of
> > >> >> > life.
> > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt so "membership"
> > >> >> > can
> > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc.
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> > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the absolute bane
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> > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would have to be the
> > >> >> > > concept of the "majority opinion".  The moment men began refusing
> > >> >> > > to
> > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking "What does
> > >> >> > > everyone
> > >> >> > > else think?", they set themselves up for an endless future of
> > >> >> > > failures.  We are, of course, very social beings, and our natures
> > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in what some might
> > >> >> > > call
> > >> >> > > a "tribal imperative".  However, this imperative to organize is
> > >> >> > > often
> > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the psychological mechanisms
> > >> >> > > behind it.  Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and exploit the inherent
> > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them into
> > abandoning
> > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or some abstract
> > and
> > >> >> > > dishonest ideal.  When successful, the organization of a culture
> > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe or a community
> > of
> > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective of soulless
> > >> >> > > sheep.
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> > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to belong, but, they also
> > desperately
> > >> >> > > want to understand the environment around them.  Often, the
> > desire
> > >> >> > > to
> > >> >> > > belong and the desire to know the truth conflict.  In some
> > >> >> > > societies,
> > >> >> > > in order to be accepted, one must give up on his search for truth
> > >> >> > > and
> > >> >> > > avoid eliciting the anger of others.  This causes a severe mental
> > >> >> > > and
> > >> >> > > emotional disturbance within a population.  In order to reconcile
> > >> >> > > their conflicting needs within a system that does not nurture
> > their
> > >> >> > > quest for transparency, they tend to unconsciously cling to the
> > >> >> > > "majority view" as if their very existence depends on it.  The
> > idea
> > >> >> > > of
> > >> >> > > the majority view or the "mainstream", gives people the sense
> > that
> > >> >> > > they are a part of a group, and at the same time, gives them the
> > >> >> > > illusion of being informed.
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> > >> >> > > The above from Zerohedge - is it right?  What does it say about
> > our
> > >> >> > > general ability to argue rationally?  I agree with what is said
> > >> >> > > here -
> > >> >> > > yet believe it suggests we need a radical alternative of
> > education
> > >> >> > > as
> > >> >> > > we have experienced it.- Hide quoted text -
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> > >> >> - Show quoted text -
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> > >> > --
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> > >> --
> > >>  (
> > >>   )
> > >> |_D Allan
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> > >> Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > >> Of course I talk to myself,
> > >> Sometimes I need expert advice..
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> > >> --
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> > > --
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> > --
> >  (
> >   )
> > |_D Allan
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> > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > Of course I talk to myself,
> > Sometimes I need expert advice..
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> > --

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