Re: Mind's Eye Re: the majority opinion

A herd is simply easier to manage for those in power and control. Some
Neanderthal figured that one out watching animal behavior.

On Jan 27, 11:54 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you asked someone in the herd, if they considered themselves to be
> part of the herd, or if their view was their opinion, I suspect that
> you would hear a view entirely different than the opinion you just
> voiced, Andrew.  An opinion filled with judgments presented as fact
> (or a an attempt of such,) twisted words and thinly veiled accusations
> are always weak argument.  Words like arrogant and vain are value
> judgments.  Herd mentality is a documented sociological phenomenon.
> Most operating under herd mentality do not understand that the basis
> of their thinking or opinion is fear.  I would speculate that most
> political rhetoric is aimed at forming herd mentality with fear.  At
> least, all the political ads in every city I have ever lived in the
> US.
>
> On Jan 27, 12:23 pm, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Heard mentality or herd mentality is not an opinion. It is just blindly
> > following the loudest voice heard either out of fear or out of  not having
> > an opinion but taking it from the herd you chose to follow in order to
> > conform.  The majority opinion in not necessarily the loudest opinion you
> > hear. The loudest opinion usually comes from an arrogant, vain and
> > disrespectful person who is power hungry and has enough money for a
> > brainwashing campaign. Like a dictator who disregards majority opinions as
> > mindless.
>
> > On Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:12:08 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>
> > > Of course, I meant herd mentality.  Now, off to work!
>
> > > On Jan 27, 10:00 am, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > before the judgments fly any further, a differentiation between heard
> > > > mentality and majority thinking might be in order.  It is possible
> > > > there there is truth in what Andrew and Allan are saying, but gross
> > > > generalization, paradoxically, leads to a narrow view, one that is
> > > > unable to consider another. Heard mentality can indeed, be dangerous,
> > > > and a great manipulator can take advantage.  History bears this out on
> > > > many occasions.
>
> > > > On Jan 27, 4:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > what ever andrew
>
> > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 7:55 AM, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Except when the majority opinion happens to agree with your own
> > > opinion. In
> > > > > > my own personal opinion, anyone who thinks that the majority opinion
> > > is
> > > > > > mindless shows clear signs of arrogance, vanity and disrespect. All
> > > opinions
> > > > > > should be respected. Is that not the basis of democracy?
>
> > > > > > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:44:57 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> > > > > >> the majority opinion is the easiest one to manipulate as it has no
> > > > > >> idea what it is.  because of that it is the easiest to control
> > > being
> > > > > >> both mindless, disorientated with no where to go and no idea of
> > > what
> > > > > >> it believes as well as willing to believe  the comforting lie
> > > rather
> > > > > >> tan the simple truth.
>
> > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 8:57 PM, andrew vecsey <andrew...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > The majority opinion is the most FAIR, most JUST, most
> > > comprehensive....
> > > > > >> > opinion. You can not call it the best, the most correct, or the
> > > most
> > > > > >> > moral
> > > > > >> > etc...because those evaluations are personal. Majority opinion is
> > > not
> > > > > >> > personal.
>
> > > > > >> > On Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:15:25 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
>
> > > > > >> >> .......I think we know
> > > > > >> >> what the right things to do are but are scared of our impotence
> > > -
> > > > > >> >> understanding more of why might help.
>
> > > > > >> >> On Jan 26, 10:14 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > In present tense it means acknowledging the massive amount of
> > > > > >> >> > illnesses,
> > > > > >> >> > deaths and general deformation of humanness because of a
> > > protestant
> > > > > >> >> > work
> > > > > >> >> > ethics that serves very much the one and less the many. I hope
> > > you
> > > > > >> >> > can
> > > > > >> >> > decipher my shorthand by now.
>
> > > > > >> >> > 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > >> >> > > Yes and no one is more or less past tense the other is on
> > > going,
> > > > > >> >> > > one killing was based off racial superiority,, the other
> > >  killing
> > > > > >> >> > > is
> > > > > >> >> > > based off religious superiority,
> > > > > >> >> > > Whats the difference..    ??
>
> > > > > >> >> > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM, gabbydott <
> > > gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > > The other serving as a better example of wickedness is a
> > > classic,
> > > > > >> >> > > > Allan.
>
> > > > > >> >> > > > 2013/1/26 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> A better example Riggs   and sadly enough  is Islam in
> > > today's
> > > > > >> >> > > >> world..
> > > > > >> >> > > >> This is evidenced in all the news reports of the day.
>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 2:43 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > The Nazis seem an obvious example of fairly recent
> > > history-
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > that's all
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > I meant- and history is littered with examples as
> > > explicated
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > by
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > Archytas. It's as if the majority gets caught up in a
> > > wave- to
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > use
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > Molly's image. Though there may be concrete reasons at
> > > the
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > base,
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > it is
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > often an irrational reaction. My point is that when
> > > dissent is
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > silenced, democracy is in trouble.
>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> > On Jan 25, 1:25 pm, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> Ah, rigs. :( Where is Molly by the way?
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> Let's give the majority opinion problem a hearty
> > > positive
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> spin
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> and
> > > > > >> >> > > say:
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> the
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> majority of Germans is happy that the majority of
> > > Americans
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> is
> > > > > >> >> > > happily
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> forming their opinions in America and exchange it over
> > > there.
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> :)
>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> On Friday, January 25, 2013 2:03:29 PM UTC+1, rigs
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > And very often their very existence does depend upon
> > > going
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > along
> > > > > >> >> > > with
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > the majority. However, one feature of democracy is
> > > that of
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > dissent
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > but
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > it can be risky esp. if the majority has a mob
> > > mentality.
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > When
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > you
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > think of the average classroom it is obvious that
> > > the
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > pattern
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > is to
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > echo rather than question and the same applies to
> > > other
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > areas
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > of
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > life.
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > It is just as likely that the group can be corrupt
> > > so
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > "membership"
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > can
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > be a doom- ex: Nazis, etc.
>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Jan 25, 1:43 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > If there is one concept on Earth that has been the
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > absolute
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > bane
> > > > > >> >> > > of
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > human existence (besides global elitism), it would
> > > have
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > be the
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > concept of the "majority opinion".  The moment men
> > > began
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > refusing
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > to
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > develop their own world views without first asking
> > > "What
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > does
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > everyone
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > else think?", they set themselves up for an
> > > endless
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > future
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > of
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > failures.  We are, of course, very social beings,
> > > and our
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > natures
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > drive us to seek those of like mind and spirit in
> > > what
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > some
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > might
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > call
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > a "tribal imperative".  However, this imperative
> > > to
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > organize
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > is
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > often
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > manipulated by those who understand the
> > > psychological
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > mechanisms
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > behind it.  Oligarchs and tyrants abuse and
> > > exploit the
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > inherent
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > social natures of the people in order to fool them
> > > into
> > > > > >> >> > > abandoning
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > their individuality for the sake of the group, or
> > > some
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > abstract
> > > > > >> >> > > and
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > dishonest ideal.  When successful, the
> > > organization of a
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > culture
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > becomes bitter and twisted, changing from a tribe
> > > or a
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > community
> > > > > >> >> > > of
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sovereign individuals, into a nightmare collective
> > > of
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > soulless
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > sheep.
>
> > > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Human beings desperately want to
>
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