Re: Mind's Eye Re: Madness and Sanity

Ah from what I gather you did not vote.. thats okay they don't bother
to count my vote either .. Islam well it is something else..
liberals drive me as crazy as conservatives do

As for what europe has done to avoid war.. well try the EU to start
the purpose is to avoid war again.. that is the main function..
Trading block is just secondary..



On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:26 PM, rigs <rigs117@gmail.com> wrote:
> Distrusted Islam from the very beginning.
>
> Did not vote for Bush41, Clinton either time, Bush43 either time or
> Obama either time.
>
> Dropped relationships and affiliations that suscribed to loony
> Liberalism.
>
> Just waited like the rest of humanity to watch the chaos unfold.
>
> Post 9-11, is probably the point of no return.
>
> What did Europe and Britain do to avoid the wars of the 20th C.? I
> doubt a trade agreement with the EU will make a difference. The
> balance of power has tilted. Just don't send us horsemeat- it reminds
> me of Napoleon's deadly retreat from Russia.
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 1:56 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What you don't realize our pathetic response as you put it was done
>> under Nixon,, and that pathetic also effectively ended terrorism
>> within the US.. you didn't even know it was going on.. And Ii am not
>> for any party in reality.. republican or democrat.. What I am is for
>> the USA fighting for which cost me my health..
>>
>> Starting with Reagan the terrorist threat became a none priority,
>> ripping off the government and elimination of taxes on the
>> wealthiest.. hat became the focus,, not taking care of the all
>> citizens of the US.. The greatest part of this activity has occurred
>> under the control of the republican extremist politicians disguising
>> themselves as conservatives.
>>
>> Under Bill Clinton the National debt came down despite the best
>> efforts of the house and senate.. What happened to the line item veto
>> that the republican fought so hard to get,, when it was used against
>> their special programs???
>>
>> Bush Sr had to get into a limited war with Iraq to protect Kawait..
>> when that was done he with drew. I liked President Nixon, worked under
>> him and even meet him.. I try to look at people and base my like or
>> dislike by their actions,, I will support good actions and bad actions
>> I will not support....
>>
>> In Europe what was going on in Iraq was well known and that was to
>> what The US was trying to sell.. .. In the US they only knew what
>> the political parties were selling them.. You had a failing
>> government and administration that would grab any old straw to make
>> them look good.
>>
>> September 11th was the straw they grabbed and sold to the american
>> public.. playing on and instilling their fear.. anything to survive
>> rather than use common sense.. They got the excuse to impose their
>> extreme what if solution.
>>
>> Now Rigsy tell us just what you did to prevent terrorism pre Sept 11??
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:22 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > No, Allan. America finally understood we were at war on 9-11 and in
>> > wartime the government is entitled to take extraordinary measures. I
>> > could unreel our pathetic response to terrorism a few decades back but
>> > it would involve your precious Democrats.
>>
>> > On Feb 17, 6:35 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Rigsy there was no precedents tor the original Home land security
>> >> regulations,, they were a pre planned action in a what if scenario ..
>> >> one created by the elitist party which at the moment is doing a good
>> >> job of controlling the republican party..
>>
>> >> The precedent is controlling by fear.. and that is what the
>> >> republican party is extremely good at doing..
>> >> especially the conservative right.. which thirty years ago was the
>> >> extreme right..
>>
>> >> Now they are against abortion and saying there is nothing wrong with
>> >> the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed by the weasel
>> >> bush and his colleges.. and yes they are looking into that and
>> >> gathering the evidence needed for a trial and conviction..
>>
>> >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Right precedent --- let mesee --- they did it before and got
>> >> > away with it..
>>
>> >> > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 12:24 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> There were precedents, Allan.
>>
>> >> >> On Feb 16, 3:20 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> Under the Weasel bush and the guidance of the republican party they
>> >> >>> created Homeland Security and all of the laws that went with it
>> >> >>> effective removing all constitutional rights.. creating the absolute
>> >> >>> power of the state to use when ever they want,, let it be forgotten
>> >> >>> about so the nerves are not so raw..
>>
>> >> >>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:49 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> > Bush (either) was a weasel. Money (or more broadly liquid assets)
>> >> >>> > were shifted from the many (the bottom 50% held 14%) to the few after
>> >> >>> > 1980 - after Reagan/Thatcher/Bush the amount held by the bottom 50%
>> >> >>> > was down to 1%.- this was done through global arbitrage on wages,
>> >> >>> > explosions in CEO pay and a shift to mark to model valuations in the
>> >> >>> > financial system and continues through TARPS, QE and so on. We might
>> >> >>> > call the whole shebang 'Planet Ponzi'. The stories we hear are about
>> >> >>> > heroic individuals prospecting for oil - when the real story is one of
>> >> >>> > restricting supply to keep the price up, at least until after WW2.
>> >> >>> > When Barings Bank went bust we hear it was down to a lone rouge trader
>> >> >>> > in a bank with impeccable credentials - real story is they were bent
>> >> >>> > bastards in the 18th century (monopolies) and provided the loan which
>> >> >>> > allowed Argentina to be looted in 1824. Rigs is right that frauds do
>> >> >>> > unravel - but I suspect the underlying fraud is never eradicated and
>> >> >>> > throws up time and again. In the 18th century Barings were hoarding
>> >> >>> > cochineal, now JP Morgan and others are hoarding food, copper and
>> >> >>> > other commodities in exchange traded funds - the idea being to charge
>> >> >>> > us high prices. Russian 'grandmothers' given oil and gas shares end
>> >> >>> > up with shares in a worthless company because the oligarchs legally
>> >> >>> > steal the real assets through transfer pricing.
>> >> >>> > It has been argued that Britain gave up its Empire in order to retain
>> >> >>> > democracy in the UK. The US clearly replaced the empire on which the
>> >> >>> > sun never set and is perhaps in more danger of losing democracy than
>> >> >>> > we care to think. I'd have a bet it will all become clear as Africa
>> >> >>> > is re-colonised. I would say we can't look the truth in the face
>> >> >>> > because we were dragged up to believe in fair play, personal
>> >> >>> > integrity, democratic principles and the truth is these are just a
>> >> >>> > sham.
>>
>> >> >>> > On Feb 12, 3:46 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> >> I should include dysfunctional families and cultures as being a
>> >> >>> >> hindrance to developing a conscience. Then, I guess, we are on our
>> >> >>> >> own.
>>
>> >> >>> >> On Feb 12, 9:06 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> >> > You are separated by your conscience and a knowledge of right and
>> >> >>> >> > wrong but one can over-ride a conscience or it can deteriorate or be
>> >> >>> >> > shocked into non-availability.//I hope I don't wind up in one of those
>> >> >>> >> > awful rest homes- it would be more merciful to commit suicide- and
>> >> >>> >> > cheaper!
>>
>> >> >>> >> > On Feb 10, 8:36 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> >> > >http://youranonnews.tumblr.com/post/42506354980/heres-an-uncensored-c...
>>
>> >> >>> >> > > Christopher Dorner the former LAPD officer gone rogue is clearly mad
>> >> >>> >> > > if the link above is his work. There's a persecution complex and he
>> >> >>> >> > > wanders off into statements about public figures as though they'd give
>> >> >>> >> > > a toss on his opinion. The probably squalid murders he's committed
>> >> >>> >> > > are somehow justified in a messy story of himself as public avenger.
>>
>> >> >>> >> > > My own view of the world is probably more extreme than Dorner's. I
>> >> >>> >> > > don't believe we get much right in our organisations and I'm sure we
>> >> >>> >> > > suffer from collective madness and denial in most of our dealings with
>> >> >>> >> > > each other. I don't believe that the vast majority of our cops,
>> >> >>> >> > > nurses and so on are hard working and generally do the right thing -
>> >> >>> >> > > rather most people don't care much and spend an awful lot of time
>> >> >>> >> > > 'looking the other way'. The truth is that most of our complaints'
>> >> >>> >> > > systems don't work and were designed not to. The kind of evidence of
>> >> >>> >> > > what I'm saying here is the Hillsborough Report - this demonstrates
>> >> >>> >> > > that rather than standing up for truth, pretty much every cop lied and
>> >> >>> >> > > the public was mislead for more than 20 years. Nurses are leaving
>> >> >>> >> > > patients who can't fend for themselves lying in their own mess and
>> >> >>> >> > > even worse. Abused children are left with abusers. What really
>> >> >>> >> > > convinces me we are getting almost everything wrong is an absence of
>> >> >>> >> > > real statistical reasoning - what we get is performance management
>> >> >>> >> > > (juking) and promises lessons are being learned that last until the
>> >> >>> >> > > next serious incident comes to light - when the promise is used again.
>>
>> >> >>> >> > > I wonder what separates me from sad/bad jerks like Dorner? I don't
>> >> >>> >> > > kill people and wouldn't, much as I liked the film, dream of doing
>> >> >>> >> > > Dirty Harry - the evidence is rarely clear enough. The truth is
>> >> >>> >> > > usually banal and even dull. I can't work out how I know Dorner is a
>> >> >>> >> > > clown and yet believe police complaints systems are hapless and cover
>> >> >>> >> > > a multitude of sins. I know most whistleblowers face dreadful
>> >> >>> >> > > smearing, but this guy is out of it. John Kiriakou seems sane and the
>> >> >>> >> > > US finally mad in sending him to jail and making Brennan head of CIA.
>>
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