Re: Mind's Eye Re: Good and bad

I'll try and leave you with that Andrew.

On Mar 24, 12:11 pm, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do not think that we lie to our self so much as that we only see/hear
> what we want to see/hear. Also we tend to say what we think the other
> persons wants to hear or say things to hurt other people.
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> On Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:46:03 AM UTC+1, rigs wrote:
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> > I am more interested in why we lie to ourselves, suppress reality and
> > snarl logic in our brains. There are life and death moments of
> > survival, I suppose, but much of our potential is engineered by family
> > and culture in order to achieve some sort of control and order. Even
> > rebels are often little more than a reaction. Pretense and etiquette
> > are often the same thing.//I must have "lost" my thought re "big
> > data"/"Big Daddy? as an organizer of human knowledge versus the
> > present scatterings and specialties.// Yes- I agree most have a gut
> > reaction- but so do other life forms- it's a survival mechanism. But
> > it can be distorted.
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> > On Mar 24, 4:12 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Faked enthusiasm is as easy to spot as fake love. It is like a built in
> > > like a lie detector that god created us with. Sounds like a good way to
> > > detect lying on the internet. You can call it "god" instead of "big
> > > brother".
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> > > On Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:08:39 PM UTC+1, archytas wrote:
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> > > .....................
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> > > > Quite what junk DNA is has raised a big recent controversy - gist at
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> > > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/feb/24/scientists-attacked-ove...
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> > > > I agree with rigs that the term is unfortunate.
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> > > > ........but I could feign 'enthusiasm' ..
> > > > ........' to detect resistance!  Even this
> > > > .....no employees dumb enough to support
> > > > excellence, ......
> > > > if we spent out time pointing such devices at
> > > > each other though rigs!  Watch out for the first one minute dating
> > > > agency providing such!  Arghh" .
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> > > > On Mar 22, 1:06 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Junk is an unfortunate adjective- it sounds too random. My guess is
> > > > > that further selection takes place in this area which selects the
> > > > > strongest marker- or whatever it's called- such in the color of
> > eyes,
> > > > > hair, and other characteristics. There are also generational skips
> > in
> > > > > play. I have noted other strange echoes of a missing parent such as
> > > > > the style of laughter which is a surprise and so many other
> > > > > recognitions. At any rate, we are just beginning to sort through the
> > > > > data in this one area as in others- I think it is called "big data"
> > > > > which will overcome the religious notion of "sins of the father"
> > stuff
> > > > > as well as curses and fate and will hopefully allow a more rational
> > > > > and postive approach/life choices for each unique individual. But it
> > > > > will also cause mischief.
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> > > > > On Mar 22, 5:16 am, andrew vecsey <andrewvec...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > Not all DNA code for protein. We have non coding DNA called "junk
> > DNA"
> > > > that
> > > > > > ensure we are all unique. While normal DNA codes for protein to
> > make,
> > > > for
> > > > > > example a "nose", junk DNA ensures that we grow a nose that
> > "looks"
> > > > like a
> > > > > > mixture of our father`s and our mother`s nose.
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> > > > > > On Friday, March 22, 2013 12:36:39 AM UTC+1, Ash wrote:
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> > > > > > > My thoughts didn't include "junk DNA", my thinking on such terms
> > are
> > > > > > > mixed in that some genes may not be useful or represent just
> > another
> > > > > > > failure point, but also that the supposed junk in one set of
> > > > > > > circumstances may prove quite beneficial in others like a
> > backup, an
> > > > > > > alternate development chain or complex interdependencies we
> > haven't
> > > > > > > observed yet. You may have a connection in mind I haven't
> > gleaned.
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> > > > > > > Developing the market sounds similar but I am trying to root out
> > an
> > > > > > > aspect of this that doesn't require jumping to a premature
> > > > conclusion,
> > > > > > > such as in 'intelligent design', materialism, rigid ontologies
> > or
> > > > > > > realism. Thanks for helping me explore here gabby, lets hope
> > some
> > > > form
> > > > > > > emerges in expression. :)
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> > > > > > > On 3/21/2013 3:57 AM, gabbydott wrote:
> > > > > > > > Now that sounds more like you. :)
> > > > > > > > What you are describing or asking I now
> > understand/interpret/hear
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > terms of what I know about what they are trying to find out
> > about
> > > > > > > > "junk DNA". Its purpose/function/added value. As for what you
> > > > describe
> > > > > > > > as another way, I know/experience/see this in what the
> > companies
> > > > > > > > describe as "developing the market". We are still on topic,
> > aren't
> > > > we?
>
> > > > > > > > 2013/3/21 James <ashk...@gmail.com <javascript:> <mailto:
> > > > > > > ashk...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>
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> > > > > > > >     I have a feeling you are being charitable with me gabby
> > > > (cringe).
> > > > > > > >     What you say makes sense, and should add that the intent I
> > > > refer
> > > > > > > >     to is in excess of that needed for mere gene survival
> > fitness.
> > > > In
> > > > > > > >     that sense I consider the adaptations as simulations and
> > the
> > > > > > > >     excess as breaking the barriers of meta-simulation, or in
> > > > another
> > > > > > > >     way, not just running within time but operating on it by
> > > > taking
> > > > > > > >     advantage of the rules and finding ways to bend them. Now
> > it
> > > > is my
> > > > > > > >     turn to ask, does that make sense [to anyone]?
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> > > > > > > >     On 3/20/2013 3:01 AM, gabbydott wrote:
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> > > > > > > >         I don't know if this is good or bad, but i hear that
> > you
> > > > > > > >         haven't just heard about mirror neurons, that this is
> > a
> > > > > > > >         relatively consciously made up construct, a construct
> > with
> > > > > > > >         intent or purpose. Also it sounds strange when you say
> > > > that
> > > > > > > >         this neurological mechanism is strange (to you).
> > That's
> > > > where
> > > > > > > >         my "parallel mirror neurons" come into play, i compare
> > > > what
> > > > > > > >         you say with what i have heard you saying before and
> > add
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >         info as well as my judgement on what you say to my
> > > > internal
> > > > > > > >         "Virtualization" of you. The leap is more of a
> > constant
> > > > > > > >         exercise of differentiating between you and me while
> > > > operating
> > > > > > > >         on the virtualization of each participant, so to
> > speak.
> > > > Does
> > > > > > > >         that somehow make sense to you?
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> > > > > > > >         Of course, I could go back to the group website and
> > search
> > > > for
> > > > > > > >         the real data on what you have been saying on
> > neurological
> > > > > > > >         mechanisms. But this would be a completely new
> > project.
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > > >         have to go back and construct a new image with my
> > > > knowledge of
> > > > > > > >         now.
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> > > > > > > >         But since you are still alive and still communicating,
> > I
> > > > find
> > > > > > > >         it much easier and more purposeful to keep on
> > listening to
> > > > > > > >         what you say, to respond to it, and to rely on you
> > saying,
> > > > if
> > > > > > > >         you disagree. Not a good position for me to be in,
> > more of
> > > > a
> > > > > > > >         survival strategy. Now that's worth a leap into
> > rethinking
> > > > > > > >         mode. ;)
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> > > > > > > >         2013/3/20 James <ashk...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> > > > > > > >         <mailto:ashk...@gmail.com <javascript:>> <mailto:
> > > > > > > ashk...@gmail.com <javascript:>
> > > > > > > >         <mailto:ashk...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>>
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> > > > > > > >             My response was mostly a parallel narrative, my
> > > > thinking on
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >             personal level is when does a system of components
> > > > > > > >         transcend the
> > > > > > > >             boudaries of automata and begin to engage in the
> > > > operations
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > >             intent. Where does gene fitness adaptation break
> > loose
> > > > into
> > > > > > > >             something perceiving, interacting, understanding
> > and
> > > > > > > >         mastering? I
> > > > > > > >             have heard that our ability to reflect and
> > interact on
> > > > an
> > > > > > > >         intimate
> > > > > > > >             level arises from a strange neurological mechanism
> > > > called
> > > > > > > >         mirror
> > > > > > > >             neurons. If this is something like the
> > virtualization
> > > > > > > >         technologies
> > > > > > > >             we have been building in technology then with a
> > bit
> > > > more
> > > > > > > >         scale and
> > > > > > > >             pondering our science may make the leap
> > > > logarithmically.
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> > > > > > > >             On 3/18/2013 8:15 PM, James wrote:
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> > > > > > > >                 I see this sometimes too Andrew, and we learn
> > how
> > > > our
> > > > > > > >         internal
> > > > > > > >                 systems and culture drive and shape us, so we
> > can
> > > > > > > >         create. We
> > > > > > > >                 model from the simplest sensory stimuli on to
> > > > > > > >         reflections on
> > > > > > > >                 the nature of our existence and what could be
> > in a
> > > > > > > >                 simultaneous simulation of reality. Our world
> > can
> > > > be
> > > > > > > >         full of
> > > > > > > >                 intent, or I should say we
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