Re: Mind's Eye Re: Green Issues (might make some 'green')

Perhaps the worst example of 'water' theft was Saddam's pursuit of
genocide of the marsh Arabs through it. A Palestinian would point to
the Jews in Israel. Tourism development is often another example.
I'm with James.
The key remains an economic system that works and the key to that is
our belief in ourselves.

On Mar 5, 7:36 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually our main pump supplied water for the local town when all
> three of there broke down, my Dad
> did research on drip irrigation in the 50's  great for controlled
> crops  not do good for growing 70 hectors of hay and grain but 'dem
> was da good ol' days
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> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 12:10 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Reading this it makes me wonder how to solve the irrigation issues with
> > slurry, if I am right in assuming drip irrigation wasn't a requirement
> > Allan. Cities process so much nutrient matter as waste it seems ignorant to
> > just dump it in a landfill and out to sea! We could be growing fuels in a
> > wetland area, then further out maybe food crops. There's probably enough
> > heat going down the drain to augment heating a southern facing attached
> > greenhouse or something. I've been staring at a pile of bottles destined for
> > recycling and it would be great to turn it into greenhouse sheeting
> > (expensive stuff). If one built a machine to do this with minimal melting
> > maybe people could donate their (well-rinsed) plastics to greenhouse
> > projects in the community built from locally sourced and manufactured
> > supplies. Though officially the bottles came from stores..
>
> > On 3/4/2013 10:53 AM, archytas wrote:
>
> >> Sue came across this in a learned journal this morning.  Sorry it
> >> doesn't paste properly.
> >> Despondentandexiled, French socialist PierreLerouxwan-
> >> deredthroughthestreetsofLondonintheearly1850s.''Whatastupidcity!''he
> >> remarked,''oneonlyneedstosee this swarmof poor peopletounderstandwhat
> >> wealth[liesin]acity'smanure.''Lerouxbelievedheheldknowledgethatcouldend
> >> London'spullulatingpovertyforever.''Iwenttobuyanoldironmortar,''here-
> >> counts.''ThenIwenttocollectsandfromthebanksoftheThamesattheVauxhall
> >> Bridge.''Lerouxgroundthesandwithashesandpiecesofbrickintoafine''mineral-
> >> vegetablepowder.''''Imixed this powder withmyurineandmyexcrement....
> >> Theexcrementalmaterialthatamanproducesinonedayisenoughtocreate
> >> twenty-fivepoundsofvegetablesoil.''Lerouxplantedseedsin this unortho-
> >> doxmaterial,beansthatgrew,blossomed,andboreabundantfruitevenoutof
> >> season.Thereby,Lerouxwrote,''IhaddemonstratedthatMANISTHERE-
> >> PRODUCEROFHISOWNSUBSISTENCE.''''Everyoneoftheseunfortunate
> >> people ...couldlivebyhisownmanure.''1
> >> Lerouxhopedtoturnexcrementintolife,wasteintosubsistence.Hesoughtto
> >> end socialmiserybythewondrousoperationofnature.Inplaceofwagework,
> >> Lerouximaginedaperpetualrecyclingprocess.Humansconsumefoodandcreate
> >> waste,whichinturnproducesmorefood.Thisvisionabsolvedthepoormanofthe
> >> need
> >> tolabor;nature'scyclealonewouldprovideforeachperson'sneeds.Produc-
> >> tionandconsumptionwerecollapsedinasingleprecept:''MAKE BREAD WITH
> >> HUMAN EXCREMENT.''2
> >> Despite
> >> itseccentricity,PierreLeroux'sagriculturaltechniquewasnotthe  ... 20
> >> more pages on the Parisian version of the honey-suckers.
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> >> On Mar 3, 8:51 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Wake up Rigsy  the are stealing not only  water they are stealing a
> >>> way of life to fill their greed.. there are no lawns in the area..
> >>> Rigsy NO LAWNS IN AREA!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >>> There is and old saying often used in AA for cases like your ,,,  this
> >>> to shall pass some times like gall stones but it will pass,
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> >>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:56 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Insurance does the same thing. So do merchants. So does government. So
> >>>> will health insurance. So does any selection based on a biased
> >>>> criteria. Etc. But I think we have a problem re terms and how we
> >>>> understand them.//I have been conscious of the water issue. I would
> >>>> start by banning lawns and excessive gardens. We could sub with
> >>>> stadium turf. :-)
> >>>> On Mar 2, 7:10 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> The investors are supposed to get returns based on risk not take them
> >>>>> and pass the risk to us when things go wrong (as losses).  Some of
> >>>>> what's going on is as bent as me placing bets with a pool of our
> >>>>> money, keeping the wins myself and letting everyone else take the
> >>>>> duds.  With the banksters it's even worse - they have been doing this
> >>>>> for years and still expect us to respect them!
> >>>>> On 2 Mar, 13:29, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>>>>> I don't understand your distain of investors when it is management at
> >>>>>> fault.
> >>>>>> On Mar 2, 6:47 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> The real issue is immigration rigs.  I suspect the massive debts of
> >>>>>>> our once vaunted financial sector will prove the real issue in a
> >>>>>>> couple of years.  RBS is giving £600 million in bonuses on a £6
> >>>>>>> billion loss and probable bankruptcy if class action over LIBOR and
> >>>>>>> other fraud is successful.  I suspect Osbourne will try to buy votes
> >>>>>>> by giving us the government shares.  UKIP is a bit like the Tea Party
> >>>>>>> but has its own candidates.  They could take half the Tory vote.  We
> >>>>>>> may yet see someone like Grillo in Italy.  Bulgaria and Romania get
> >>>>>>> full integration soon and most of Western Europe already has a
> >>>>>>> problem
> >>>>>>> with the esterners.  I'm personally pleased - our neighbours are
> >>>>>>> Bulgarian and lovely people - far nicer than your average Brit.  The
> >>>>>>> EU will be much more popular if they push through bank bonus curbs
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> antitrust legislation.  Hester, the loon running RBS, has just told
> >>>>>>> us
> >>>>>>> he has to pay high salaries to attract the right staff (the ones
> >>>>>>> running the bank at a loss?) - a weird argument now as you'd think
> >>>>>>> wages would collapse given the redundancies and banks would be
> >>>>>>> avoiding further losses in speculation.  His alternative to business-
> >>>>>>> as-usual seems to be closing the bank completely - we should make it
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> utility bank instead.  The truth is likely to be that if we let the
> >>>>>>> RBS investors take the losses they deserve we'd find all the alleged
> >>>>>>> financial assets are worthless.  I have no vote worth holding - I
> >>>>>>> want
> >>>>>>> to go more Swedish-Norwegian and may have to go back to Scotland to
> >>>>>>> get that.  I'd rather have a vote to become a republic than one on
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> EU.
> >>>>>>> On 1 Mar, 12:39, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>> Oh those scrappy Brits- such elites who managed to hold onto their
> >>>>>>>> royals! Never one to admit its negative impact on the Continent and
> >>>>>>>> its empire. Tra-la, tra-la, old chap. It is easier to trade with a
> >>>>>>>> block of partners, isn't it?
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 1, 1:21 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>> UKIP (sadly not a party advocating falling asleep at work) came a
> >>>>>>>>> close second in yesterday's by-election here.  This will put the
> >>>>>>>>> wind
> >>>>>>>>> up our GOP equivalent.  UKIP are non-events who just want the UK
> >>>>>>>>> out
> >>>>>>>>> of the EU ( as probably 65% of the UK does) and are now recipients
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> the protest vote.  I regard it much more important to deal with our
> >>>>>>>>> toilet offerings properly than bother whether we are chums with the
> >>>>>>>>> French and Germans.  We should all be in the EU and abolish it at
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> same time - a more possible solution than it might appear - we
> >>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>> simply create an electronic parliament after abolishing the farces
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> Brussels and Strasbourg.
> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 7:45 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Farming practices have greatly improved..the soil loss i was
> >>>>>>>>>> seeing is
> >>>>>>>>>> not the result of erosion.  flowing artisan wells are very rare
> >>>>>>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>>>>> know of only one area in the US where they are common;
> >>>>>>>>>> Now Neil there is a way you could join the super rich in the
> >>>>>>>>>> states..
> >>>>>>>>>> step one.  get your degree in US Tax law passing the bar..
> >>>>>>>>>> specialize
> >>>>>>>>>> in national tax law and learn all of it ..  required reading will
> >>>>>>>>>> include all of the tax law will be required, skimming will not be
> >>>>>>>>>> good
> >>>>>>>>>> enough..  then you need to become a CPA (certified Public
> >>>>>>>>>> Accountant..
> >>>>>>>>>> then what you do is you offer the rich the service tax evasion..if
> >>>>>>>>>> interested I will explain it to you..  it will require the US not
> >>>>>>>>>> getting the budget in place..
> >>>>>>>>>> was looking at that..  the republicans need to remember that if
> >>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>> don't get a new budget in place  they will lose all of the tax
> >>>>>>>>>> breaks
> >>>>>>>>>> they are trying to protect..  lol  tough it will effect me,,
> >>>>>>>>>> maybe it
> >>>>>>>>>> is the best thing as it will force the rich to pay the taxes they
> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> been avoiding..  they will never get such a good deal again  as
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> tax laws were passed by republicans for rich republicans during
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> time when both the senate and house along with the president were
> >>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>> republican..    that sweet heart deal no longer exist.
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:06 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There's so much we could and should be doing.  I fancy a
> >>>>>>>>>>> long-term
> >>>>>>>>>>> plan bolted on to current economics, perhaps replacing
> >>>>>>>>>>> derivatives and
> >>>>>>>>>>> the like.
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2:43 am, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> It could also be called Facelift!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 27, 4:59 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just not fair Al - I
>
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