Re: Mind's Eye Re: Is Wagner Bad For Us?

Ballet was associated with prostitution in Georgian days. Men do the
sub-thingy too - at least in pecking order terms. I was rarely
comfortable not being the organiser or captain in team games and have
found much the same in work situations. I like to think this is
because I bring a kind of 'beguine' democracy when I do the leadership
bit and very rarely stoop to bossing people about - but it's
emotionally complex and an area subject to self-delusion! With
enough decent people about I'm inclined to the view leadership is
about not letting a mad person take over and otherwise being able to
ignore it because most of the time its obvious what to do.
If anything, ballet reminds me of army drill squares - I was so bad at
that I had a permanent ticket from the drill sergeant to be away
playing various sports. Most people love it -
but I just can't take being told what foot to start off on and making
the toes of boots shine. I have no problem taking my turn with scut
work (chores etc.) - and know the value of keeping one's place in the
line - but I guess I'm in out of step by default.

We share the music - and I love watching the orchestra tune up or hear
choirs do their equivalents - and I admire the organisation of the
playing - which sort of brings the question of why I feel queasy with
the choreography thing. I'm as queasy with today's over-organised
sport. I expect you'd have turned my head other than by being a
pretty girl in the chorus too - I tend to be attracted by difference.
Back to Wagner - who really cares - I can rarely associate the music
with the other action. The recent New York production is on TV here
soon - sadly Sky Arts. I only take their sports and will also miss
Oliver Stones 'History of America' - though they'll get to C4 and BBC
4 soon enough. I wonder what Wagner might have done with a concept of
'relativity flight' - leaving a place that will disappear in terms of
what and where it was in a speeding bubble aimed at somewhere not
where it is developing now to emerge in a future that has developed
billions of years and in which we have aged only 28 - a hopeless
fantasy of faith if ever there was one!


> women are quite able to subjugate themselves even while seeming
> independent.
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> On Apr 19, 4:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I have never liked ballet and always sit near the orchestra pit for the
> > music.  Steve and I met when I was very much in love with a ballerina and
> > lived with us for a few months.  He loves the choreography and movement.  I
> > tend to see the slippers as you say rigs and dislike the obvious (male)
> > control and body fascism.  I'd no doubt attend basketball if Steve wanted
> > to go.
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> > On Friday, 19 April 2013 02:02:11 UTC+1, rigs wrote:
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> > > Ballet slippers for en pointe remind me of Chinese foot binding for
> > > women. Is it subjugation of the female?
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> > > On Apr 17, 5:18 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The ballet was disappointing - I really only like the music.  Steve is
> > > > into the aesthetic female form - though I note he holds my hand
> > > > tearfully when the male lead is prancing about.  Food, wine and
> > > > entertainment at he gay restaurant were excellent.  The next venue is
> > > > my choice, probably the rugby league cup final.  My daughter will
> > > > probably come with us to that, sharing his interest in athletic men,
> > > > Good to hear you sounding better.  Heed Gabby's advice - after all now
> > > > we know the Germans invented porridge!
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> > > > On Apr 17, 8:54 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > I hope things continue to get better.
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> > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 4:55 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Sigh...The minute I started taking medicine all hell broke loose.
> > > > > > Might as well have flushed $200. The doctors are all drug pushers
> > > and
> > > > > > I am quite furiously discouraged. It will be some time before eyes
> > > are
> > > > > > better but I won't go blind- that's a break!!! Had to quit all meds
> > > > > > except drops and a cool cloth. The good news is that it was a gold
> > > > > > inlay rather than a piece of tooth that fell out as I ate a fat date
> > > > > > (the fruit) and the tooth doesn't hurt so that can wait. But I am
> > > > > > miserable and thank you all for good wishes and lovely thoughts. Not
> > > > > > sure the Indian doctor will see me again. :-) I drove to the post
> > > > > > office today though I shouldn't have and am cooking-
> > > eating-sleeping-
> > > > > > dreaming- sick and sad with radio news. Anyway- I've missed you.
>
> > > > > > On Apr 16, 10:35 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Dark Lady of any sonnet I might cherish
> > > > > > > Politics fade in soft breeze of smile assumed unseen.
> > > > > > > Thoughts dance in your shadow
> > > > > > > Kitchen warm and tempting as an open soul.
> > > > > > > A feast of music tonight
> > > > > > > I never touch the food.
> > > > > > > Leaves room to dream of my lady's kitchen
> > > > > > > In overture's crescendo, dreams on rise.
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> > > > > > > It's a night at the ballet rigs.  My gay companion will sense I'm
> > > > > > > thinking of someone else, ask why we didn't book another seat and
> > > > > > > sound our horn at your door. One can only wish the thought set
> > > free to
> > > > > > > fly that we might distract until better times.
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> > > > > > > On Apr 15, 7:25 am, Gabby <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > I am really sorry to hear that, Rigs, and
> > > > > > > > [image: Get-Well Soon]
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> > > > > > > > Am Sonntag, 14. April 2013 14:39:09 UTC+2 schrieb rigs:
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> > > > > > > > > Putting the thought in the air- good genes, health, etc.- has
> > > > > > summoned
> > > > > > > > > the Furies. Punishment is an eye infection-both eyes, now- a
> > > swollen
> > > > > > > > > neck gland- and last night a piece of a molar cracked off.
> > > Medicine
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > iffy- little progress. Ice and snow storms. Neighbor took me
> > > to eye
> > > > > > > > > clinic and he and wife will help. Wearing tinted glasses-
> > > Jackie O.
> > > > > > > > > Must be a test for my Soul as Logic escapes me. Some of your
> > > spare
> > > > > > > > > prayers might help. Will try to stay in touch.
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> > > > > > > > > On Apr 10, 7:02 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, that's why I propose the hopefully not yet patient but
> > > > > > > > > > child/adolescent is to also learn the healthstory of their
> > > family
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > order
> > > > > > > > > > to not leave existentially important spaces empty.
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> > > > > > > > > > And no, you shouldn't have told me your current doctor is
> > > from
> > > > > > India! I
> > > > > > > > > > cannot help but thinking now that you go there because you
> > > both
> > > > > > agree
> > > > > > > > > > cooking fresh food all day long, doing the house-work and
> > > caring
> > > > > > for the
> > > > > > > > > > family is the best medicine!
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> > > > > > > > > > I agree, we need new definitions.
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> > > > > > > > > > Am Mittwoch, 10. April 2013 schrieb rigs :
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> > > > > > > > > > > The patient has to take an active role, I think, and
> > > investigate
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > rx also. Plus the old familiarity with family doctors has
> > > > > > declined-
> > > > > > > > > > > those who knew the family history. So there are empty
> > > > > > spaces.//My old
> > > > > > > > > > > doctors quit the insurance plan and are setting up a new
> > > > > > "business
> > > > > > > > > > > model". (?) So many have moved to a different practice.
> > > Anyway,
> > > > > > I now
> > > > > > > > > > > have an female Indian (India) lady and a good first
> > > run-by-
> > > > > > actually
> > > > > > > > > > > my daughter selected the practice. I have halved her rx as
> > > I am
> > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > > > > > large person.//Probably new definitions are a good idea.
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> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 9, 5:40 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com<javascript:;>>
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> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Right, it was all about what has been factored in in the
> > > new
> > > > > > WHO
> > > > > > > > > book of
> > > > > > > > > > > > what counts as a disease at what point etc. An American
> > > > > > psychologist
> > > > > > > > > gave
> > > > > > > > > > > > some examples and figures. They were not discussing
> > > though how
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > > pharma
> > > > > > > > > > > > industry and big politics are not unhappy about the
> > > > > > development.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am 08.04.2013 22:58 schrieb "rigs" <rigs...@gmail.com
> > > > > > <javascript:;>>:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > Where did you get this info? Factor in obesity, heart
> > > > > > problems,
> > > > > > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Also epidemics, etc. Some od on rx and others on
> > > street
> > > > > > > > > drugs-alcohol
> > > > > > > > > > > > > or a combo. But as to rx you will have to come up with
> > > > > > statistics
> > > > > > > > > re
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doctors and abuse by patients. Saw dr. last week. My
> > > daughter
> > > > > > > > > thinks I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > must have inherited super-genes. Maybe!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 8, 11:55 am, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Mol, how are you? Good to see you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, what you are saying is right from a tribal
> > > > > > perspective. It
> > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a leap into the here and now of probabilities and
> > > how they
> > > > > > > > > relate to
> > > > > > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > get a feel for fuzzy logic. Let's say many, many,
> > > many more
> > > > > > > > > > > Americans die
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > only due to the effects of the pills the doctor has
> > > > > > prescribed
> > > > > > > > > them
> > > > > > > > > > > than
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans dying due to having consumed illegal drugs
> > > such
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > > heroin
> > > > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cocain. Do you think that would make people choose
> > > to go
> > > > > > to a
> > > > > > > > > doctor
> > > > > > > > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prescribes pills more carefully? No, we are
> > > reasonably
> > > > > > hoping
> > > > > > > > > (hop,
> > > > > > > > > > > hop)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > death will not hit us, at least not here and now.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/4/8 Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, the best fit is unreasonable, and only
> > > seems
> > > > > > > > > reasonable
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later, when conditions change, or culture changes,
> > > or we
> > > > > > > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Logic isn't everything.  The greatest discoveries
> > > often
> > > > > > > > > require a
> > > > > > > > > > > leap
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into a form of logic not yet clear.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 7, 4:05 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Most art, music and literature (including sport)
> > > is
> > > > > > merely
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who can't do science or live examined lives make
> > > the
> > > > > > trivial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems strange to me we can tell what notes
> > > fit and
> > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic to save our lives.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Apr, 11:10, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes that is the one Gabby,,  I only have his
> > > piano
> > > > > > works,,
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > like
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