Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought

I don't hold with culture as much rigs. Europeans seem to share a
common ancestor as little as 1000 years ago on recent DNA research in
PLOS biology. In cultures around the world one finds penis chopping
(just up the road from here in Horwich or PNG) and gang rape.
Genocide is almost everywhere. The Nazis may even have been an Anglo-
American invention to prevent a Soviet-German block - we have form
before and after using quasi-religious groups to rule for our hidden
agendas. I fancy we should look more to how to change our cultures
and prevent ourselves being manipulated by loonies.

On 11 May, 13:11, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> there is great value in systematic enlightenment,,,  I also think though
> that in needs to be a attachment to those out of the box and not dismissing
> them..  knowledge and access to it is spread through out humanity.   theiet
> problems comes when someone starts saying I deserve more.
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> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:23 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree that learning is self taught on the condition that most of the
> > means and content is circumstantial and not chosen, 'systematique' is an
> > abstraction and so for most I think it has referential truth (as a
> > resource) but not process modeling truth until the mind has worked out
> > components, inner systems and interactions.
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> > An aim for building problem solving intelligence, developing experience
> > with the tools of learning and skill in adapting skills/knowledge to solve
> > novel (relatively) problems seems a good rough-draft purpose. The building
> > blocks are important, they don't fall into arrangement the same for
> > everyone though and that makes it challenging. I've had a few days where
> > the teachers instruction seemed a variation on 'first world problems' and
> > many of my schoolmates were hardened in that way, this is a known unknown,
> > the challenge is an opportunity I think.
>
> > Gabby I was pulling a Marvin the Martian earlier, my general usage of
> > enlightenment seems to be similar to Allan's, or as a 'piercing a veil of
> > ignorance'. I hoped to get a view from Konara, but your tips were, hmm
> > 'enlightening' nonetheless. ;-)
>
> > On 5/9/2013 9:27 PM, rigs wrote:
>
> >> You need basic skills to begin with, however, and these are only as
> >> successful as certain other qualities/opportunities are present or
> >> attainable. Morality is generally picked up from family, tribe,
> >> nation, religion, political theory. There are plenty of examples of
> >> evil or poor choices made by popular consent/majority opinion. What is
> >> the ultimate purpose of education? Wisdom? Income? Etc.?
>
> >> On May 9, 4:11 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>> What Neil says is that all learning is self taught - and so you are
> >>> always
> >>> successful. The question here is what you learn. The moral that you
> >>> acquire
> >>> while learning sans systematique is definitely more difficult to justify,
> >>> yes.
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> >>> 2013/5/9 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> >>>  Interesting the self taught often succeed..  could be it seems what they
> >>>> do not learn appearantly is morality  or how to justify their actions..
> >>>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:20 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>> I don't know either work referred to but not sure society could
> >>>>> tolerate this kind of freedom in education or workplace with a few
> >>>>> exceptions. Funny, but the self-taught often succeed. Anyway, society
> >>>>> needs to control its education and workplaces- esp. since the
> >>>>> Industrial Revolution. Another thought is the object of work<education
> >>>>> is often just about money though many are dedicated to ideals and
> >>>>> service and money is an afterthought or nevermind.
> >>>>> On May 7, 1:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> The short story is as Gabby remembers.  20 years ago I ran a module
> >>>>>> called Creative Organisational Practices.  The essential choice for
> >>>>>> students was to study the comparative relevance of Enid Blyton
> >>>>>> (children's stories) and 'In Search of Excellence' to management
> >>>>>> practice (both clearly fictional) or do something "creative" to stop
> >>>>>> me lecturing on this and do something they invented.  That might be
> >>>>>> education.
> >>>>>> On 7 May, 08:42, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>> thank you  it is starting to make sense now
> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>> oh  to many drugs,,I guess epilepsy medications have severe side
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> >>>>>>> effects
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> >>>>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:33 AM, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com>
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> >>>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>> Search for the word on the group site and you will find older
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> >>>>>>>> contexts in
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> >>>>>> which the word has been used. As far as I remember Neil introduced
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> >>>>>>>> it,
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> >>>>>> sketching up education as being super male in its ejaculation
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> >>>>>>>> orientation
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> >>>>>> and super female in its child minding orientation. Truth for
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> >>>>>>>> Dummies.
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> >>>>>> 2013/5/7 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> sorry Neil Ejukation is a word i cannot find ..  as a result I am
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> >>>>>>>>> not
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> >>>>>> sure what you are saying..
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:02 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
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> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>> Ejukation is basically child-minding - we give the little dears
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> >>>>>>>>>> easy
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> >>>>>> things to do so we can praise them.  The ones too stupid to
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> >>>>>>>>>> realise
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> >>>>>> its all rubbish and bail out early end up with the biggest debts
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> >>>>>>>>>> - all
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> >>>>>> very meritocratic!  The world would work rather well on a 2-day
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> >>>>>>>>>> week.
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> >>>>>> The ejukationist's job is to stop people realising this, the
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> >>>>>>>>>> classroom
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> >>>>>> the straight-jacket through which we get people used to not
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> >>>>>>>>>> doing what
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> >>>>>> they want to.
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 6 May, 10:50, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is enlightenment --  spiritual enlightenment  ---
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>   well
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> >>>>>> there are
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> more ideas and ramblings people call enlightened..    at least
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a enlightened carpenter the enlightenment will show up in his
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> >>>>>>>>>>> work.
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> >>>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:13 AM, gabbydott <
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> >>>>>>>>>>> gabbyd...@gmail.com>
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> >>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> We used to view what I think you are describing through the
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Wissen' -
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Können' glasses. The spiritual dimension needed the right
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> justification
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> and calibration of both. We now ask if you:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> know-that/know-about/know-how/**know-why/know-what.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/5/6 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there are many forms of enlightenment.. a skilled carpenter
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
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> >>>>>> enlightened on crafting wood.. a nurse can be enlightened
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on caring
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> >>>>>> for patients  . . .   there are many different forms of
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> enlightenment..
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> spiritual enlightenment is perhaps the most confusing of all
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge..
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, gabbydott <
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> gabbyd...@gmail.com>
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> >>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> Of course a more figurative light is being meant! The
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trouble
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> >>>>>> remains
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> the same. "Enlightenment" is the word. The context makes it
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Aufklärung' or
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'Erleuchtung', light particle or light wave.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2013/5/6 James <ashkas...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Konara, rigsy, all. I am wondering if this is a more
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figurative
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> 'light'..? In the sense that it illuminates the world and
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allows
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> >>>>>> a greater
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> understanding and mastery of things, I mean.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spring is in the air. :)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/5/2013 1:10 AM, rigs wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pardon my late welcome. Why not refine instead of tame
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
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> >>>>>> senses?
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> They are also gifts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 10:46 pm, Konara Abeyrathne <
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kona...@gmail.com>
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> >>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> training or developing our mind is not that difficult
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or easy.
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> >>>>>> mind is
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> a very active and naughty sense .onlything we have to
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tame
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> >>>>>> other
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> senses,concentrate on the function of the mind through
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
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> >>>>>> "MIND EYE'"
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> itself. and engage in trancedental meditation.  this
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you have
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> >>>>>> to
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> start and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue until you see a bright light in your mind try
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see
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> >>>>>> pl   I
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abeyratne from Kandy Sri Lanka
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:08 AM, rigs <
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rigs...@gmail.com>
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> >>>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone recently mentioned Socrates was alarmed with
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
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> >>>>>> popularity
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing as he felt it would weaken the memory. I
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it
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> >>>>>> lovely
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> that the ancient bards trained their minds like a
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house of
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> >>>>>> many rooms
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> and storied them.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 7:27 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com>
>
> ...
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