Re: Mind's Eye Re: deep thought

Glad you said it Allan, my enthusiasm told me to leave the box alone. I
think the term 'unknown commodity' fits, and there are some strange
varieties out there as I've known at least one, others are suspect but
as I can see how they would be driven nuts I won't be out there
interviewing. The curiosity crosses my mind at times on the rare
occasion that I catch the news of whether someone was just another dumb
nut or did we just lose another potential major asset to civilization.
Yes, if we worked to meet the needs of all without exception, I said
this exact thing to someone regarding cultural integration the other day
in regards to our cultural isolation. An ounce of prevention.. a pound
of agression. It isn't even in the common vernacular I'm afraid.

I am at a loss for meaning to your last sentence my instincts throw up
red flags on the subject. A few times I've been able to approach the
subject by reassociating an external self to see things as a story that
I was free to speak the truth of and pursue compassion and say 'Im so
sorry that...', as an older person would say to a child. It's still
blank though, push some more and blank to freeze (it's good to know the
physiological effects of stress disorders there), push more and it's .
morning shits and shakes for a few plus temporary immune system
shutdown. There are a variety of mental disciplines, meditative
techniques, insights into my nature, and preventive disciplines that can
be derived from experiences but I can't tell him 'you deserve better'
because it's relevance ends as a gesture. The process is intuitive with
others, a born talent, I seem to learn in reverse starting with an
intuitive bond but I'm no genius just weird. ;-) My sense of humor is
improving though, not being understood is so damn BORING, it's enough to
make a person develop ADHD.

On 5/11/2013 8:11 AM, Allan H wrote:
> there is great value in systematic enlightenment,,, I also think
> though that in needs to be a attachment to those out of the box and
> not dismissing them.. knowledge and access to it is spread through
> out humanity. the problems comes when someone starts saying I
> deserve more.
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:23 AM, James <ashkashal@gmail.com
> <mailto:ashkashal@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree that learning is self taught on the condition that most of
> the means and content is circumstantial and not chosen,
> 'systematique' is an abstraction and so for most I think it has
> referential truth (as a resource) but not process modeling truth
> until the mind has worked out components, inner systems and
> interactions.
>
> An aim for building problem solving intelligence, developing
> experience with the tools of learning and skill in adapting
> skills/knowledge to solve novel (relatively) problems seems a good
> rough-draft purpose. The building blocks are important, they don't
> fall into arrangement the same for everyone though and that makes
> it challenging. I've had a few days where the teachers instruction
> seemed a variation on 'first world problems' and many of my
> schoolmates were hardened in that way, this is a known unknown,
> the challenge is an opportunity I think.
>
> Gabby I was pulling a Marvin the Martian earlier, my general usage
> of enlightenment seems to be similar to Allan's, or as a 'piercing
> a veil of ignorance'. I hoped to get a view from Konara, but your
> tips were, hmm 'enlightening' nonetheless. ;-)
>
>
> On 5/9/2013 9:27 PM, rigs wrote:
>
> You need basic skills to begin with, however, and these are
> only as
> successful as certain other qualities/opportunities are present or
> attainable. Morality is generally picked up from family, tribe,
> nation, religion, political theory. There are plenty of
> examples of
> evil or poor choices made by popular consent/majority opinion.
> What is
> the ultimate purpose of education? Wisdom? Income? Etc.?
>
> On May 9, 4:11 pm, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com
> <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> What Neil says is that all learning is self taught - and
> so you are always
> successful. The question here is what you learn. The moral
> that you acquire
> while learning sans systematique is definitely more
> difficult to justify,
> yes.
>
> 2013/5/9 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
>
>
>
> Interesting the self taught often succeed.. could be
> it seems what they
> do not learn appearantly is morality or how to
> justify their actions..
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:20 AM, rigs
> <rigs...@gmail.com <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I don't know either work referred to but not sure
> society could
> tolerate this kind of freedom in education or
> workplace with a few
> exceptions. Funny, but the self-taught often
> succeed. Anyway, society
> needs to control its education and workplaces-
> esp. since the
> Industrial Revolution. Another thought is the
> object of work<education
> is often just about money though many are
> dedicated to ideals and
> service and money is an afterthought or nevermind.
> On May 7, 1:46 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The short story is as Gabby remembers. 20
> years ago I ran a module
> called Creative Organisational Practices. The
> essential choice for
> students was to study the comparative
> relevance of Enid Blyton
> (children's stories) and 'In Search of
> Excellence' to management
> practice (both clearly fictional) or do
> something "creative" to stop
> me lecturing on this and do something they
> invented. That might be
> education.
> On 7 May, 08:42, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> thank you it is starting to make sense now
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:41 AM, Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> oh to many drugs,,I guess epilepsy
> medications have severe side
>
> effects
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:33 AM,
> gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com
> <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Search for the word on the group
> site and you will find older
>
> contexts in
>
> which the word has been used. As
> far as I remember Neil introduced
>
> it,
>
> sketching up education as being
> super male in its ejaculation
>
> orientation
>
> and super female in its child
> minding orientation. Truth for
>
> Dummies.
>
> 2013/5/7 Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
>
> sorry Neil Ejukation is a word
> i cannot find .. as a result I am
>
> not
>
> sure what you are saying..
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:02
> PM, archytas
> <nwte...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Ejukation is basically
> child-minding - we give
> the little dears
>
> easy
>
> things to do so we can
> praise them. The ones too
> stupid to
>
> realise
>
> its all rubbish and bail
> out early end up with the
> biggest debts
>
> - all
>
> very meritocratic! The
> world would work rather
> well on a 2-day
>
> week.
>
> The ejukationist's job is
> to stop people realising
> this, the
>
> classroom
>
> the straight-jacket
> through which we get
> people used to not
>
> doing what
>
> they want to.
> On 6 May, 10:50, Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> knowledge is
> enlightenment --
> spiritual
> enlightenment ---
>
> well
>
> there are
>
> more ideas and
> ramblings people call
> enlightened.. at least
> a enlightened
> carpenter the
> enlightenment will
> show up in his
>
> work.
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at
> 11:13 AM, gabbydott <
>
> gabbyd...@gmail.com <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> We used to view
> what I think you
> are describing
> through the
>
> 'Wissen' -
>
> 'Können' glasses.
> The spiritual
> dimension needed
> the right
>
> justification
>
> and calibration of
> both. We now ask
> if you:
> know-that/know-about/know-how/know-why/know-what.
> 2013/5/6 Allan H
> <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
>
> there are many
> forms of
> enlightenment.. a
> skilled carpenter
>
> can be
>
> enlightened on
> crafting
> wood.. a nurse
> can be enlightened
>
> on caring
>
> for patients
> . . . there
> are many
> different forms of
>
> enlightenment..
>
> spiritual
> enlightenment
> is perhaps the
> most confusing
> of all
>
> knowledge..
>
> On Mon, May 6,
> 2013 at 10:01
> AM, gabbydott <
>
> gabbyd...@gmail.com <mailto:gabbyd...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Of course
> a more
> figurative
> light is
> being
> meant! The
>
> trouble
>
> remains
>
> the same.
> "Enlightenment"
> is the
> word. The
> context
> makes it
>
> 'Aufklärung' or
>
> 'Erleuchtung',
> light
> particle
> or light wave.
> 2013/5/6
> James
> <ashkas...@gmail.com
> <mailto:ashkas...@gmail.com>>
>
> Hello
> Konara, rigsy,
> all. I
> am
> wondering
> if
> this
> is a more
>
> figurative
>
> 'light'..?
> In the
> sense
> that
> it
> illuminates
> the
> world and
>
> allows
>
> a greater
>
> understanding
> and
> mastery of
> things, I
> mean.
> Spring
> is in
> the
> air. :)
> On
> 5/5/2013
> 1:10
> AM,
> rigs
> wrote:
>
> Pardon
> my
> late
> welcome.
> Why not
> refine
> instead
> of
> tame
>
> the
>
> senses?
>
> They
> are also
> gifts.
> On
> Apr 28,
> 10:46
> pm, Konara
> Abeyrathne
> <
>
> kona...@gmail.com <mailto:kona...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> training
> or
> developing
> our
> mind
> is
> not
> that
> difficult
>
> or easy.
>
> mind is
>
> a very
> active
> and
> naughty
> sense
> .onlything
> we
> have
> to
>
> tame
>
> other
>
> senses,concentrate
> on
> the
> function
> of
> the
> mind
> through
>
> the
>
> "MIND EYE'"
>
> itself.
> and
> engage
> in
> trancedental
> meditation.
> this
>
> you have
>
> to
>
> start
> and
> continue
> until
> you
> see
> a bright
> light
> in
> your
> mind
> try
>
> and see
>
> pl I
>
> am
> abeyratne
> from
> Kandy
> Sri
> Lanka
> On
> Mon,
> Apr
> 29,
> 2013
> at
> 9:08
> AM,
> rigs
> <
>
> rigs...@gmail.com <mailto:rigs...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> Someone
> recently
> mentioned
> Socrates
> was
> alarmed
> with
>
> the
>
> popularity
>
> of
> writing
> as
> he
> felt
> it
> would
> weaken
> the
> memory.
> I
>
> thought it
>
> lovely
>
> that
> the
> ancient
> bards
> trained
> their
> minds
> like
> a
>
> house of
>
> many rooms
>
> and
> storied
> them.
> On
> Apr
> 28,
> 7:27
> pm,
> archytas
> <nwte...@gmail.com
> <mailto:nwte...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> No
> idea
> mate.
> Deep
> Thought
> was
> the
> computer
> that
>
> couldn't
>
> answer
>
> the
> question
> and
> thus
> commissioned
> a bigger
> one
> to
> find
>
> the
>
> question.
>
> On
> 28
> Apr,
> 21:51,
> Allan
> H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>>
>
> wrote:
>
> --
> (
>
> )
> |_D
> Allan
> Life
> is
> for
> moral,
> ethical
> and
> truthful
> living.
> Of
> course
> I talk
> to
> myself,
> Sometimes
> I need
> expert
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