Re: Mind's Eye money question

The issue of private property has long been moot. The question of
whether Christ owned the clothes he wore was important to Wycliffe -
though his protector John O'Gaunt saw this as a means to remove
property from the churches. Locke's view was that property rights
emerged from work done. English property law has a lot to do with
12th century statute aimed at stopping feuding over castles. When
slavery was abolished we paid reparation to the slave owners not the
slaves - and this money can be traced to today (in today's money it
was in billions). The same is true of Nazi loot Much land in the UK
was seized by enclosure of commonly owned plots. Shakespeare was
involved and Coriolanus was about it and his own experience with his
land investment around Stratford. Francis Bacon wrote on it all too.
We are seeing a repeat of such times in England on a global basis
now. For Shakespeare and Bacon it was about a failure in leadership.

The financial system is built to obscure money origins and flows.
This need not be the case as we could have a management information
system doing this with equality of access - subject to the prevention
of sabotage and so on. If we look to a future approaching 100% robot
heaven we might wonder about the nature of wealth and why we allow
such disproportionate holdings of it now. In past robotic innovations
like sheep instead of tenant farmers, the rich were prepared to let
uneconomic labour die.

Technically, if Allan bought a stolen painting (or car) in all
innocence and resold it, we could sequester his cash from the sale -
though in practice we wouldn't do this if we got the painting back.
Of course, real crooks are more cunning and stash offshore. Weirdly,
vulture funds can obtain contracts illegally and still sue in
jurisdictions where the original other party to the contract is known
t have funds - so you can buy a Congo contract from a dubious Eastern
European to 2 million (he has presumably stolen it) when its face
value is 50 million and sue for the 50 million in Jersey because the
Congo government has funds lodged there. These funds will have been
stolen from ordinary people in the Congo, but lawyers aren't
interested in them. Courts in the US do much the same. No one is
bothered the original contract was to supply schools, hospitals and
roads or tell the vultures to provide these with their money from the
court.

TARP, BARF (honestly), QE and the rest are a form of this, essentially
about stealing our assets by giving rich people first use of money
generated from us (called the Cantillon effect). The cowboy roofer is
small fry compared with the carpet-baggers to come. I'm in Machau
(selling some academic stuff) for a week over summer. Got a spare
$1.6 million so I can hobnob with Chinese black money on the 36th
floor of the biggest casino rigs? I'll have to promise to bet that
amount to get in to meet your beloved rich.




On 3 June, 08:36, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All is fair in love and war  well that is nothing more than a soul trying
> to justify immoral actions and flagrant violation of the prime commandment
> "Do No Harm"..
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> If stole stolen wealth should be able to through generations,, then what is
> stolen today should be able be passed  on..  interesting as that would
> easily clear americas prisons..  all is fair in love and war..
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> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > what really bothers me is according to history the acquiring of this
> > wealth also involved wholesale slaughter of men women and children to the
> > point it is recorded that the river ran red with their blood. Today it is
> > pure and clear grounds for crimes against humanity.  this type of
> > activities are still going on today.. seems governments are trying to
> > recover massive funds stolen by dictators  modern day version of middle
> > ages kings and royalty.
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> > I see these royal? families lapping up the luxuries that came  from theft
> > and murder..  the word protection keeps popping up it seems that the
> > protection needed was from the people claiming to be providing the
> > protection..  today  I see them strutting  around in the this stolen wealth
> > claiming that it is their inheritance.
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> > It seems to me that if you accept the wealth that was stolen or produced
> > as a by product of stolen lands and wealth that you also inherit the moral
> > responsibility including the prison time.  including the life sentences and
> > the return of all the wealth..
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> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:02 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> It sounds like a challenge fit for one of those legendary wise leaders
> >> who presents a challenge and distributes the loss according to just
> >> deserts. But I can't help but wonder what a just challenge would be for the
> >> plaintiff, and what type of arbitration would be sufficient. It is a puzzle
> >> Allan, is the theft held among one generation or multiple, what interests
> >> are held against it currently?
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> >> On 6/2/2013 1:48 PM, Allan H wrote:
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> >>> oops  I mean the wealth is no longer considered stolen and has become
> >>> acceptable..  even when it is widely know the source is theft..
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> >>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:
> >>> allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> >>>     how can money that was stolen be past down to the next
> >>>     generation,,  it seems that it becomes perfectly acceptable and
> >>>     the wealth is considered no longer acceptable.
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> >>>     Yet if i buy a painting that was stolen still belongs to the
> >>>     family it was stolen from?  It seems it is applied selectively..
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