Re: Mind's Eye money question

Better sing along with Ian Drury and hope she's not carrying a big
stick James! I'm a fan.

I still do most of our repairs rigs - mostly to avoid the kind of
problems you are having. I've moved too often to know people I can
trust.

I actually share rigs' concerns on what we might term the uniform
society. I don't see politics as very important in this as we really
have none - just economic ideology. Chomsky has a fair version of
anarchy. My own view is a thesis 'against time immemorial' - broadly
that we are stuck with non-modern ideologies, including ignorance of
our biology - in a crude sense I'd recommend a start in watch female
primates stalking their sexual 'victims' - a non-standard view of
female sexuality to say the least.

Our institutions are now very real problems - but this doesn't mean we
need to tear them down to get the truth out - the basis of the 'all
truth lies in the main destruction' slogan of anarchism. We are
missing something at rigs' 'do no harm' level - we either all count in
front of the law or it isn't worth spit kind of thing. Yet it's
deeper somehow.

My guess is our work ethic is wrong. The big fact here is
productivity and the lack of analysis of how much work needs doing by
humans. Money is ideological in this, as well as something we spend
on food etc. I'm not against hard work but I hate being ripped off
as per rigs' roof thing or the TARP/QE thing. The heraldry of our
times might well be Allan's 'golden calf rampant'. I don't think we
understand how little work there is to do or that wealth distribution
is out of order.

As an example, clever financial services we might describe as
'intercoursing the rehypothecated derivative repo' makes sense for the
first few people or companies doing it in terms of standard profit and
loss - but once everyone is at it you just have to pay for extra
chores or costs the performance entails. By the time everyone is
doing the complex stuff there is no competitive advantage in it - and
what we see is big companies stealing tax through the mechanisms - an
anti-competitive restrictive practice against small firms who can't do
offshore transfer pricing. We end up paying for a lot of financial
services we don't need - and the amount is vast.

On 6 June, 23:35, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hope it doesn't sound like a straw man setup for anyone here, I'm just
> weaving in and out, which I must say many here do a pretty good job of!
> What I mean to say is hit me Gabby! :)
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> On 6/6/2013 12:34 AM, James wrote:
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> > Heh, did you switch envy and resentment around Rigs? Kidding with you,
> > but you may be onto something. In my older years I've gotten a chance
> > to expand my acquaintanceships to include the more hawklike
> > peacocks/roosters and have noticed a parallel to the jugular glamor in
> > prestige of affluence. A repartite sqoundrel no doubt is the name I'd
> > know if I opened my mouth today, there were more banal terms for it
> > more appropriate than 'hypocrisy'. They were all meaningless to me
> > anyways, I can count on one hand a few times I said 'Hey!' with added
> > pulp fiction vernacular, a little humorous that it was the same notice
> > in every instance. My fiancee is the only one who knows me to have
> > humor and I do impressions of things she hears about or we see in
> > movies while explaining a little on where I'm from, that I hide at all
> > other times behind stoicism. Not to betray the strong and quiet,
> > that's in there, he just feels like laughing sometimes. They don't put
> > the real funny stuff on tv, it's really weak compared to reality and
> > Chris Rock is tame relying on racial shock (I consider him a
> > half-funny ass, but I like the movie Shrek). Like what a girl shouts
> > across the auditorium holding another's hair that drops everyone
> > gasping for air in laughter dispatching with whatever lunch was
> > midswallow, or another one cussing out a John who wanted credit all
> > the way down the block, a teacher flipping out on us. I felt bad for
> > the teachers, even if they were clueless. They were barking up the
> > wrong tree when interviewing certain troubled teens after Columbine,
> > people would've done better to pull their heads out of wherever. All
> > my friends are survivalist, I grew up around guns and black markets,
> > played the heck out of Doom, the Jolly Roger cookbook was toilet
> > reading material but I enjoyed reading philosophy, and any Popular
> > Mechanics or science material I could find. In terms of judgement it
> > means nothing, but hearing people's thoughts is very rewarding,
> > including yours. I lost my point somewhere. If I find it, I'm sure it
> > will be very relevant to the classes. :p
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> > Genetic inequality seems a faux pas but I think it has an influence on
> > developing skill and intelligence of sorts, and no doubt also in how
> > one meets the multitude of influences pushing the genes into
> > activation and adaptation. IMO the distribution of trait-wise acuity
> > should be about even, with the exception of cognitive and
> > psychological disorders. It seems certain emotional deficiencies can
> > under the right circumstances lead to successful outcomes (financially
> > that is), but under others lead to more apparent disaster. Cultural
> > values and myth come into play for sure in how that is levied. I'd
> > take an arrogant industrialist any day over a megalo-sociopath bent on
> > vengeance but that doesn't mean I'll be blind to the likelihood of
> > equally or more dangerous consequences because the former is
> > enshrined. The brain seems highly adaptable too, and in evolving
> > processes timing seems a crucial element as we meet the challenge of
> > the day with whatever limitations we might have. Something good/bad
> > can happen to anyone, something amazing can come from anywhere. What I
> > get from this is that statistically speaking we should seek to improve
> > the likelihood of good outcomes in how we solve problems and formulate
> > a way forward to include the likelihood that whatever benefit each may
> > provide is realized within the whole of humanity. I know that sounds a
> > little like BS. ;-)
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> >  and I haven't heard it included in something more than confirmation
> > bias or to express futility.
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> > On 6/4/2013 11:06 PM, rigs wrote:
> >> I think resentment is a basic cause of envy between the classes. But
> >> some are smarter, industrious, creative, etc. You can't equalize those
> >> qualities unless you re-do DNA or live in a society of robots. You
> >> have a media that promotes a certain mode of success- mostly built on
> >> wealth and possessions. You have fractured families due to the social
> >> movements of the last century. Yet, I do see progress also.//I see "Do
> >> no harm" as don't make matters worse through ignorance or arrogance.
> >> Not sure the Ideal is a human possibility.
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> >> On Jun 4, 2:38 pm, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> it is extremely difficult to stay within guidelines..I am sure the
> >>> guidelines of "Do no harm" is among the most difficult ans on the
> >>> verge of
> >>> impossibility..   the problem lies within meditation of the variations
> >>> there of and how does one balance the center line without drifting from
> >>> side to side
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> >>> Hypocrite "No" not when a person is striving to accomplish the ideal
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> >>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:46 PM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> If one gains a mistrust of ambition too well it can stifle their
> >>>> degrees
> >>>> of movement. I want to read Frederick Douglass, I've tried before
> >>>> but felt
> >>>> compromised when the inner fire posed a challenge to my discipline. It
> >>>> wasn't the words on the page that lights my soul ablaze (if I may)
> >>>> but the
> >>>> chains missing from the depiction of our lady. I know the beauty Allan
> >>>> speaks of truth, but I dare not touch or mar it, for many she is
> >>>> deaf and
> >>>> blind, for some a gasp of air while struggling with the undertow, a
> >>>> crack
> >>>> in the world (ditto).
> >>>> Then, all the emotion and time comes to naught if we don't choose.
> >>>> Wrong
> >>>> choices for the right reasons doesn't a leader make, and where does
> >>>> leadership come from if not that fire sometimes. A great crime it
> >>>> seems is
> >>>> that many see and don't believe, feel and do nothing. Don't assume I'm
> >>>> being "a" hypocrite, I am "The".
> >>>> On 6/4/2013 8:17 AM, Molly wrote:
> >>>>> well said, Rigs.  Very well said.
> >>>>> On Jun 3, 11:32 pm, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> I regard blind Justice two ways: to make judgments free from bias
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> influence and to hide the tears that must flow watching human
> >>>>>> behaviors.
> >>>>>> On Jun 3, 12:53 am, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>   Justice is also blind of skill, manipulation, corruption,
> >>>>>> nepotism and
> >>>>>>> many fine traits that sociopaths will deploy in pursuit of
> >>>>>>> fairness (as
> >>>>>>> in love and war). You really can learn a lot about people in how
> >>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>> exercise power and authority, especially from beneath the cloud.
> >>>>>>> Someone
> >>>>>>> gave me a sideways glance the other day when they mentioned the
> >>>>>>> importance of loyalty and I am glad they did, I might not have
> >>>>>>> pieced
> >>>>>>> together with such clarity that some people are out looking for
> >>>>>>> dogs,
> >>>>>>> whereas I tend to differ on fairness and am looking for the
> >>>>>>> genuine and
> >>>>>>> authentic. On bearing crosses and turning cheek it seems I would
> >>>>>>> do well
> >>>>>>> to follow gabby and RP's advice, a long lesson of mine.
> >>>>>>> Thanks Molly for the great tips lately, it is meshing well with my
> >>>>>>> better foot! :)
> >>>>>>> On 6/2/2013 10:13 PM, rigs wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Part of the problem is the tradition of using warfare and
> >>>>>>>> conquest as
> >>>>>>>> an opportunity to rape and pillage and amass slave labor and
> >>>>>>>> resources. And business can be a form of warfare. Sometimes
> >>>>>>>> justice
> >>>>>>>> happens slowly outside the courts like a dark cloud. Lawyers are
> >>>>>>>> despied until you really, really need one. And doctors have the
> >>>>>>>> repuation of burying their mistakes and dislike the fees for
> >>>>>>>> malpractice insurance. Look at the problems females have in the
> >>>>>>>> military and business world reporting sexual harassment. No wonder
> >>>>>>>> Justice is blind!
> >>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 8:02 pm, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> It sounds like a challenge fit for one of those legendary wise
> >>>>>>>>> leaders
> >>>>>>>>> who presents a challenge and distributes the loss according to
> >>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>> deserts. But I can't help but wonder what a just challenge
> >>>>>>>>> would be
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> the plaintiff, and what type of arbitration would be
> >>>>>>>>> sufficient. It
> >>>>>>>>> is a
> >>>>>>>>> puzzle Allan, is the theft held among one generation or
> >>>>>>>>> multiple, what
> >>>>>>>>> interests are held against it currently?
> >>>>>>>>> On 6/2/2013 1:48 PM, Allan H wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> oops  I mean the wealth is no longer considered stolen and
> >>>>>>>>>> has become
> >>>>>>>>>> acceptable..  even when it is widely know the source is theft..
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>        how can money that was stolen be past down to the next
> >>>>>>>>>>        generation,,  it seems that it becomes perfectly
> >>>>>>>>>> acceptable and
> >>>>>>>>>>        the wealth is considered no longer acceptable.
> >>>>>>>>>>        Yet if i buy a painting that was stolen still belongs
> >>>>>>>>>> to the
> >>>>>>>>>>        family it was stolen from?  It seems it is applied
> >>>>>>>>>> selectively..
> >>>>>>>>>>        --
> >>>>>>>>>>         (
> >>>>>>>>>>          )
> >>>>>>>>>>        |_D Allan
> >>>>>>>>>>        Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
> >>>>>>>>>>        Of course I talk to myself,
> >>>>>>>>>>        Sometimes I need expert advice..
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