Re: Mind's Eye money question

Money has really lost personal meaning for me as I don't much know
what to do with it. All avenues are manipulated, although I still
have to make it and spend it and keep it. finding ways to do that and
keep it out of the hands of the bwankers is no small task. Luckily, I
don't have enough to really be concerned about. CitiMortgage finally
foreclosed on my brother's house after two and a half years of
litigation (theirs) no communication to me except the process server
(first at my door and then to my attorney). It was all dehumanized and
ruthless and they ended up buying it themselves when it went up for
auction for the worth of my brother's outstanding note. My guess is
that this process allowed them to collect enough money from the
federal government to make it worth their while and then some.

On Jun 17, 3:00 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the government has the sole power to issue money..    well that is a lark,,
>  i seldom touch currency any more, I do 99% via my bank card..  in reality
> they are issuing my currency..
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> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:02 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It was recognised in Athens and Sparta ten centuries ago before the
> > birth of Christ that one of the most vital prerogatives of the State
> > was the sole right to issue money. How curious that the unique quality
> > of this prerogative is only now being rediscovered. The "money power"
> > which has been able to overshadow ostensibly responsible government,
> > is not the power of the merely ultra-rich, but is nothing more nor
> > less than a new technique designed to create and destroy money by
> > adding and withdrawing figures in bank ledgers, without the slightest
> > concern for the interests of the community or the real rôle that money
> > ought to perform therein… To allow it to become a source of revenues
> > to private issuers is to create, first, a secret and illicit arm of
> > the government and, last, a rival power strong enough ultimately to
> > overthrow all other forms of government.
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> > This from 1934 and Fred Soddy - a chemist.  Money has become
> > government.
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> > On 9 June, 21:27, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, the cost of degree education should have come down because we no
> > > longer need the classroom to disseminate knowledge and in principle it
> > > should be free to air or available electronically as small cost.
> > > University teaching wages have fallen.  Yet costs to consumers have
> > > risen sharply.
> > > Banking has seen an electronic revolution too  yet has also spiraled
> > > its costs up.
> > > Current money problems are mainly to do with financialisation - the
> > > creation of a vast empire of money transactions that satisfy demands
> > > for returns of about 25% on investment that can't be made in the
> > > general model of fairly competitive capitalism.  The sources of this
> > > 25% return have been:
> > > 1. Looting mostly third world countries
> > > 2. Money laundering
> > > 3. Tax theft
> > > 4. Various  Ponzi bubbles involving hiking asset prices
> > > 5. Global wage arbitrage on worker salaries
> > > 6. Thefts from pension schemes and the future (various accounting
> > > dodges including 24 hour profit and loss)
> > > 7. Lending money intending to foreclose
> > > 8. Theft from tax payers through TARP/QE/Derivatives
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> > > This list goes on and money in this financial bubble is probably now
> > > seeking to transfer into the real economy through asset and land
> > > grabs.  There are a lot of papers on this - you could start herehttp://
> >www.paecon.net/PAEReview/
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> > > This stuff is post-autistic economics.  I take the view there is a war
> > > against democracy going on and we should stand up and be counted, even
> > > if we are old enough to hope we can pass it by through shuffling off
> > > the mortal coil.
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> > > On 9 June, 14:13, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > Living cost down?  what a dream..  living cost has gone up five fold..
> > over
> > > > here but as usual  there is denial denial and more denial..  I think
> > the
> > > > place to follow might be Ice Land where the threw a lot of top bankers
> > and
> > > > politician in prison..  then started over..   there economy is doing
> > good.
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> > > > Actually the losses should be laid on the shoulders of those that
> > created
> > > > the debt and problems to start with as they are the very ones that in
> > > > reality have caused the problems, but as usual  you will get the
> > denial,
> > > > denial and more denial  as they go off to rape the public one more
> > time for
> > > > old times sake..
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> > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:38 PM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Living costs should be down, I wonder what the impacts across the
> > board
> > > > > are to support the financial sector's growth. We are supposed to be
> > > > > transitioning to a knowledge economy while boxed into the old
> > Prussian
> > > > > model of education but I hear Finland is getting good results. Public
> > > > > education in China is suffering while their govt wages production
> > wars to
> > > > > underbid. The older generation's mantra seems to be 'people get what
> > they
> > > > > deserve, to hell with the rest.' Is the depression supposed to slow
> > down
> > > > > the train? Or allow further consolidation of interests to profiteer
> > from
> > > > > working people in a desperate situation while govt sells out on a
> > > > > fire-sale. Somebody other than the teachers is getting paid. My
> > feelings on
> > > > > Chicago are getting a bit more mixed..
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> > > > > On 6/8/2013 11:06 PM, archytas wrote:
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> > > > >> I think rigs has the paper-shuffling aspect of money-loss right.  It
> > > > >> doesn't matter much whether this bureaucracy is Soviet Paradise or
> > > > >> Corporate in form.  A recent Keiser Report gets to the issues -
> > > > >>http://rt.com/shows/keiser-**report/episode-455-407/<
> >http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-455-407/>- classic quotes
> > > > >> concern that the key thing with the American Dream is that you have
> > to
> > > > >> be asleep to believe it and that you could once pay your way through
> > > > >> college with a part-time minimum wage job and now you'd have to do
> > 50
> > > > >> hours a week.  That higher education should cost more in today's
> > > > >> technological age than in the recent past is ludicrous - teaching
> > > > >> costs should be down.
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> > > > >> On 8 June, 08:54, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>> PS  good roofers are hard to find..
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> > > > >>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > > >>>> railroad right of ways..  a way for railroads to steal a mans
> > property..
> > > > >>>>   though it had value at the time.. when done with it in stead of
> > > > >>>> returning
> > > > >>>> it to the person it was stolen from they sold it and kept the
> > mineral
> > > > >>>> rights..  and can you believe the promotion and bribery the
> > railroads
> > > > >>>> did
> > > > >>>> to get those laws enacted..  and railroads are not owned by the
> > people
> > > > >>>> but
> > > > >>>> private companies..  and bribery was and still is a common
> > practice then
> > > > >>>> and  is still now especially in the US
> > > > >>>> Sorry Rigsy I am not coming back to the US to fix your roof  our
> > crew it
> > > > >>>> totally retired..  lol
> > > > >>>> On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 2:28 AM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>>> They are very inter-related, Allan. So are property right-of-ways
> > > > >>>>> (railroads) and eminent domain and control of resources. The
> > > > >>>>> regulations and laws are set by legislators and presidential
> > decree.
> > > > >>>>> You would not believe the drama of this garage roof but it's
> > coming
> > > > >>>>> off and being redone if I have to skin it myself!
> > > > >>>>> On Jun 7, 9:13 am, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>>>> the government and stock market are two different worlds..
> > > > >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 3:59 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>>>>> Money losing money is where we are at with our debt and
> > interest.//
> > > > >>>>>>> People have a right to invest.// A highly centralized
> > government
> > > > >>>>>>> creates a bureaucracy of paper shufflers attempting to manage
> > an
> > > > >>>>>>> economy and other people's money, property and civil rights.
> > > > >>>>>>> On Jun 7, 1:48 am, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>>>>>> Money making money is not a good thing Allan.  I'd go for
> > some very
> > > > >>>>>>>> radical changes.  We should sequestrate the rich (they are
> > actually
> > > > >>>>>>>> doing this to us now), bump up minimum wages and conditions
> > and
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> > > > >>>>>>> start
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> > > > >>>>>> again.  There is historical precedent - Graeber's 'Debt; the
> > first
> > > > >>>>>>>> 5000 years' gives some clues, as does Steve Keen's economics.
> >  I'd
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> > > > >>>>>>> go
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> > > > >>>>>> for a salary and wealth cap too.  It strikes me we are too mean
> > with
> > > > >>>>>>>> everything and yet entirely profligate on matters that hurt
> > the
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> > > > >>>>>>> planet
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> > > > >>>>>> or people with no power.
> > > > >>>>>>>> It turns out the Romans had concrete that is more durable than
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> > > > >>>>>>> modern
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> > > > >>>>>> stuff and uses a lot less energy in production (concrete
> > contributes
> > > > >>>>>>>> 7% of CO2 through cement production).  We are slow learners!
> > > > >>>>>>>> On 7 June, 04:54, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >>>>>>>>> woke up this morning with a weird dream about people
> > creating DNA
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> > > > >>>>>>>> to
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> > > > >>>>>> validate false wills..  was weird needed to get it out of my
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> > > > >>>>>>>> head,,
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> > > > >>>>>> good workman are easier to verify over in England/Scotland than
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> > > > >>>>>>>> they
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> > > > >>>>>> are in
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> > > > >>>>>>>> the US..
> > > > >>>>>>>>> Money is necessary for everyday activity  giving a common
> > exchange
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> > > > >>>>>>>> (also
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> > > > >>>>>>>> make it taxable)  where it develops into a problem is as Pope
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> > > > >>>>>>>> Francis
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> > > > >>>>>> put
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> > > > >>>>>>>> it "Money with out purpose".  when the sole purpose is to make
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> > > > >>>>>>>> more
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> > > > >>>>>> money
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> > > > >>>>>>>>   you have a problem.  When I was sailing I ran into a man
> > who's
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> > > > >>>>>>>> dream
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> > > > >>>>>> was
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> > > > >>>>>>>> to to be a cruising sailor "living on a sailboat and wandering
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> > > > >>>>>>>> around"
>
> > > > >>>>>>   His
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> > > > >>>>>>>> wife asked me to excuse his behavior,, telling me that was his
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> dream,,
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> > > > >>>>>>   he
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> > > > >>>>>>>> sacrificed that dream because if he followed that the
> > employees
>
> > > > >>>>>>>> of
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> ...
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