Re: Mind's Eye money question

If I had a spare $1.6 million I wouldn't be worried about my garage
roof, would I? And before you fly off the adjectives about my beloved
rich, you might want to get your facts straight about me should I
chose to reveal facts to you.//An independent roofer is coming
tomorrow to analyse the job and the city building inspector is coming
on Thursday. I will also call the state to check out particulars with
their department.My task is to calm my emotions according to
everyone's advice. :-)//You will note I said honest work not theft,
above. The problem is that Liberals/socialists want everyone to be
equal yet diverse in talent and abilities.//I am reading parts of "The
Prince" and find Machiavelli's comments astute.//Have also made moves
to help the amoked family plans but it's now up to others.//I don't
gamble but might enjoy a dinner...Peking Duck...or won-ton soup. Have
been so upset I had Ramen with extras tonight.

On Jun 3, 8:12 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The issue of private property has long been moot.  The question of
> whether Christ owned the clothes he wore was important to Wycliffe -
> though his protector John O'Gaunt saw this as a means to remove
> property from the churches.  Locke's view was that property rights
> emerged from work done.  English property law has a lot to do with
> 12th century statute aimed at stopping feuding over castles.  When
> slavery was abolished we paid reparation to the slave owners not the
> slaves - and this money can be traced to today (in today's money it
> was in billions).  The same is true of Nazi loot  Much land in the UK
> was seized by enclosure of commonly owned plots.  Shakespeare was
> involved and Coriolanus was about it and his own experience with his
> land investment around Stratford.  Francis Bacon wrote on it all too.
> We are seeing a repeat of such times in England on a global basis
> now.  For Shakespeare and Bacon it was about a failure in leadership.
>
> The financial system is built to obscure money origins and flows.
> This need not be the case as we could have a management information
> system doing this with equality of access - subject to the prevention
> of sabotage and so on.  If we look to a future approaching 100% robot
> heaven we might wonder about the nature of wealth and why we allow
> such disproportionate holdings of it now.  In past robotic innovations
> like sheep instead of tenant farmers, the rich were prepared to let
> uneconomic labour die.
>
> Technically, if Allan bought a stolen painting (or car) in all
> innocence and resold it, we could sequester his cash from the sale -
> though in practice we wouldn't do this if we got the painting back.
> Of course, real crooks are more cunning and stash offshore.  Weirdly,
> vulture funds can obtain contracts illegally and still sue in
> jurisdictions where the original other party to the contract is known
> t have funds - so you can buy a Congo contract from a dubious Eastern
> European to 2 million (he has presumably stolen it) when its face
> value is 50 million and sue for the 50 million in Jersey because the
> Congo government has funds lodged there.  These funds will have been
> stolen from ordinary people in the Congo, but lawyers aren't
> interested in them.  Courts in the US do much the same.  No one is
> bothered the original contract was to supply schools, hospitals and
> roads or tell the vultures to provide these with their money from the
> court.
>
> TARP, BARF (honestly), QE and the rest are a form of this, essentially
> about stealing our assets by giving rich people first use of money
> generated from us (called the Cantillon effect).  The cowboy roofer is
> small fry compared with the carpet-baggers to come.  I'm in Machau
> (selling some academic stuff) for a week over summer.  Got a spare
> $1.6 million so I can hobnob with Chinese black money on the 36th
> floor of the biggest casino rigs?  I'll have to promise to bet that
> amount to get in to meet your beloved rich.
>
> On 3 June, 08:36, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > All is fair in love and war  well that is nothing more than a soul trying
> > to justify immoral actions and flagrant violation of the prime commandment
> > "Do No Harm"..
>
> > If stole stolen wealth should be able to through generations,, then what is
> > stolen today should be able be passed  on..  interesting as that would
> > easily clear americas prisons..  all is fair in love and war..
>
> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > what really bothers me is according to history the acquiring of this
> > > wealth also involved wholesale slaughter of men women and children to the
> > > point it is recorded that the river ran red with their blood. Today it is
> > > pure and clear grounds for crimes against humanity.  this type of
> > > activities are still going on today.. seems governments are trying to
> > > recover massive funds stolen by dictators  modern day version of middle
> > > ages kings and royalty.
>
> > > I see these royal? families lapping up the luxuries that came  from theft
> > > and murder..  the word protection keeps popping up it seems that the
> > > protection needed was from the people claiming to be providing the
> > > protection..  today  I see them strutting  around in the this stolen wealth
> > > claiming that it is their inheritance.
>
> > > It seems to me that if you accept the wealth that was stolen or produced
> > > as a by product of stolen lands and wealth that you also inherit the moral
> > > responsibility including the prison time.  including the life sentences and
> > > the return of all the wealth..
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 3:02 AM, James <ashkas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> It sounds like a challenge fit for one of those legendary wise leaders
> > >> who presents a challenge and distributes the loss according to just
> > >> deserts. But I can't help but wonder what a just challenge would be for the
> > >> plaintiff, and what type of arbitration would be sufficient. It is a puzzle
> > >> Allan, is the theft held among one generation or multiple, what interests
> > >> are held against it currently?
>
> > >> On 6/2/2013 1:48 PM, Allan H wrote:
>
> > >>> oops  I mean the wealth is no longer considered stolen and has become
> > >>> acceptable..  even when it is widely know the source is theft..
>
> > >>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com <mailto:
> > >>> allanh1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > >>>     how can money that was stolen be past down to the next
> > >>>     generation,,  it seems that it becomes perfectly acceptable and
> > >>>     the wealth is considered no longer acceptable.
>
> > >>>     Yet if i buy a painting that was stolen still belongs to the
> > >>>     family it was stolen from?  It seems it is applied selectively..
>
> > >>>     --      (
> > >>>       )
> > >>>     |_D Allan
>
> > >>>     Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
>
> > >>>     Of course I talk to myself,
> > >>>     Sometimes I need expert advice..
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> > > |_D Allan
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> > > Life is for moral, ethical and truthful living.
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> > > Of course I talk to myself,
> > > Sometimes I need expert advice..
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