Re: Mind's Eye Self-mastery

You could get more of them illegally Molly.  I've just watched Parks
and Recreation via Novamov.  Amy Poehler would make a great Dr Who.
 They did the gay turn via Torchwood and it would be good to see a
woman in the role.  Current feeble jokes include there being no more
Dr Whos - they will be replaced by a telephone help line.  Pity we
can't just press teleport molly - so I could take you to some real
British accents north of the Caledonian canal, Cornwall, Geordieland,
East coast Irish-English - Dr Whospeak is very BBC.  We'd be regarded
as white settlers in the Highlands so we might need the sonic
screwdriver!




I'm sure you're right on Brahman - mastery is not a good concept if
conflated with perfection.  I think my real understanding of self/
individual starts in anthropology/biology and thus I tend to view it
through culture/environment interaction in co-evolution and to doubt
the individual self, other than as a small constituent of  competing-
cooperating individual or sub-system forms.  I'm not so sure on the
taste thing - I tend to an intense world that creates taste as I watch
- though this is clearly illusory - I get whiskey when the actor is
drinking cold tea.  The 'attack' on my intense world by television is
small in comparison with work in the Bombay slums or some of our own
hideous shambles.

On another point Molly - how is Detroit?  Most of our comparable
former manufacturing cities (Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool,
Glasgow, Leeds-Bradford, Hull and so on) have rebuilt centres - the
problems are generally in housing schemes surrounding them - a bit
like Paris. There are few jobs that allow people to develop self-
sufficiency and security - and that 'powder-keg' feeling.

On 17 June, 20:12, Molly <mollyb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was sorry to run out of Dr. Who episodes on Netflix as I found them
> very amusing.  During the time that I was absorbed by them, my dreams
> were filled with folks speaking with British accents.  What fun.
>
> For me, self mastery has nothing to do with denying or doing violence
> to my appetites.  This said, none of my appetites run away with me and
> have been blessed to escape addiction although my Irish family is
> riddled with it.  Always being ready for what is next helps leave what
> was behind, or at least, gives little room for obsession.  After
> awhile I found that each experience presented had its own flavor, yet
> all had an over riding feeling of distance - like watching a movie,
> knowing the actors can taste what they are eating, but not being able
> to taste with them.  Ken Wilber attributes it to what he calls "One
> Taste".  There is only Brahman.  The mastery is beyond self.
>
> On Jun 17, 2:48 pm, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > My Bulgarian neighbours have a still Don - so cheap whiskey is more
> > difficult to give up, especially as it tastes better than most of the
> > top shelf.  Progressing humanity in a humane direction is tough.  What
> > we need is something as easy as swooning teenagers with i-Phones  I'm
> > actually serious about this.  I'm beginning to feel like Dr Who - the
> > only one who can see the illusion keeping us in thrall to human-
> > skinned aliens.  I know this isn't true, but the struggle just doesn't
> > seem worth it.
>
> > I reckon most of us could be president and be as bad as any history
> > has thrown up.  Leadership is pretty easy once you crack
> > Entinwobbleism .The problem is big government and dogs who eat one's
> > false teeth.  I think we need to spot that government really doesn't
> > take place in Parliament and Congress.  Frederick Soddy (a chemist who
> > wrote on economics) knew this in 1934. The small change we need is to
> > rid ourselves of the banksters and get to a can do attitude with money
> > that isn't about hoarding the stuff and letting a few steal it so
> > easily.
>
> > On 17 June, 16:51, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I have been inspired. I'm off cheap whisky. Only top shelf for me from now
> > > on. I'm also never going to dip snuff again. Ever. Isn't the English
> > > version of Entinhaltichung wobbly?
>
> > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:23 AM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I think War Plan Red as actually the US defence plan against possible
> > > > Brit invasion via Halifax in Canada - written around 1930.  They
> > > > actually built the aerodromes near the border.
>
> > > > For some reason I was thinking about Gabby and German politics in
> > > > terms of RP's self-mastery.  I'd tend to vote Green here if we had a
> > > > decent PR system.  They poll about 15% in Deutschland and are rather
> > > > smartly dressed for my taste these days.  When I was last there they
> > > > were split between whether to enter real politics or just do protest
> > > > and looked like swamp creatures.  Merkel is still the front runner and
> > > > actually is a swamp creature.  She has mastered the RP scheme.These
> > > > days, she seems to have no policy of her own. Instead, after a
> > > > suitable delay, she takes on opposition policies in a diluted form.
> > > > Intellectual critics complain that she has no 'idea', no 'concept'.
> > > > And to describe what she does, or rather doesn't, they have coined a
> > > > frightful new German word: Entinhaltlichung, meaning
> > > > 'Decontentification - though, of course, no Englishman would use such
> > > > a word, even if it was in his lexicon.  All this made me think of what
> > > > our word for RP-style self-mastery would be, given it means not doing
> > > > some stuff you didn't really want to in the first place and aren't
> > > > really bothered about.  It all feels about as passionate as
> > > > Entinhaltlichung.  Anyway, until RP circulates the rest of his hidden
> > > > missive, I have given up Frau Merkel as my contribution to self-
> > > > mastery week.  Not many women who look old enough to be my mother are
> > > > actually two years younger than me, so this and my renewed dedication
> > > > on not eating pickled onions matches RP's booze and tabs.
>
> > > > On 17 June, 07:49, Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > pickled onions  hmm  more for me..    always knew the low life royal
> > > > > dynasties were all tied together and terribly inbred. Hmm if  war plan
> > > > red
> > > > > had been implemented would have been very interesting ..
>
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 11:01 PM, archytas <nwte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > The English royals are essentially German Allan.  Under today's
> > > > > > succession rules Kaiser Wilhelm would have been our king before WW1.
> > > > > > I suspect Churchill's real plan for WW2 was to bring back the fascist
> > > > > > one who abdicated (Edward 8) to lead a new alliance with Germany and
> > > > > > Canada against the USA - something foreseen in War Plan Red.  Who
> > > > > > really knows?  I am no longer taking bets for a serious war soon in
> > > > > > Syria-Iran  Can't you do something about the Dutch royals mate?  We
> > > > > > had endless hours here on that abdication, though are back to the Duke
> > > > > > of Edinburgh's prostate now.
>
> > > > > > I never eat pickled onions.  Is this self-mastery?
>
> > > > > > On 15 June, 18:54, gabbydott <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Calm down, Allan. I employ my YOU differently from our YOU-queen's
> > > > usage.
> > > > > > > And RP is not the drinking and smoking type, so I was safe to not got
> > > > > > shot
> > > > > > > from that side.
>
> > > > > > > 2013/6/15 Allan H <allanh1...@gmail.com>
>
> > > > > > > > why would you have to look outside for someone who has stopped
> > > > > > smoking??
> > > > > > > > that makes no sense to me Gabby,, how can you tell me i lied to you
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > I quit drinking over 33 years ago;;  if you were my employer i
> > > > would
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > told you.
>
> > > > > > > > It is very great accomplishment to quit smoking.. and to be
> > > > admired.
> > > > > >  to
> > > > > > > > diminish that accomplishment would show some one who never had to
> > > > deal
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > the trials of life..
>
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:39 PM, rigs <rigs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> Having a master plan is no guarantee beyond your own sense of
> > > > > > > >> accomplishment. Life is filled with surprises.
>
> > > > > > > >> On Jun 15, 3:58 am, Gabby Thiede <gabbyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > The problem with this this individual list is, it is not
> > > > working for
> > > > > > > >> for friendly coexistence seekers. One needs to set up ones own
> > > > master
> > > > > > plan
> > > > > > > >> to be able to defend ones own right for existence against those
> > > > who
> > > > > > are in
> > > > > > > >> possession of The Master Plan. And that is a hard job.
> > > > > > > >> > Your smoking makes me having to look for you outside the
> > > > building
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > >> I have a question. Your drinking makes me find out later how you
> > > > lied
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> me. That is no problem for your list but "needs" me to change to
> > > > > > remain a
> > > > > > > >> friendly seeker. Yeah, self-mastery is good.
>
> > > > > > > >> > Am 15.06.2013 um 00:27 schrieb RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > The list is not important. My point is that everyone has a
> > > > need of
> > > > > > > >> particular do's and don'ts , which though important to oneself are
> > > > > > > >> commonplace and no problem to others. But it is the need to
> > > > > > self-mastery ,
> > > > > > > >> to change oneself that is required and it is not a hard job
> > > > rather a
> > > > > > > >> determination to change.
>
> > > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Allan H <
> > > > allanh1...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> that really is fantastic RP, I quit in November of 2000  it
> > > >  is
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > >> easy task..  I stopped drinking on 5 December 1979, of which I am
> > > > > > proud and
> > > > > > > >>  find it very satisfying as well as enlightening.. it is amazing
> > > > what
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > >> can learn in change,,
>
> > > > > > > >> > >> I understand not want something so precious being tossed
> > > > around.
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > >> would like the honor of reading them you can always email me
> > > > directly
> > > > > >  and
> > > > > > > >> I will reply in kind out side of the group.  Change is something
> > > > that
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > >> fasinating  especially how people accomplish the change.
>
> > > > > > > >> > >> I will understand if you do not send it..  Allan
>
> > > > > > > >> > >> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM, RP Singh <123...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >>> The list is private , Allan , and not to be bandied about.
> > > > For
> > > > > > > >> example , I was a chain smoker for 15 years and in June 1993 I
> > > > made a
> > > > > > > >> resolution " Don't smoke ". I haven't touched tobacco since then ,
> > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > >> big deal, but I am satisfied and happy about it.
>
> > > > > > > >> > >>> On Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:00:19 AM UTC+5:30, Allan
> > > > Heretic
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >>>> okay where is the list RP?
>
> > > > > > > >> > >>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 8:15 PM, RP Singh <
> > > > 123...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>> I made a list of do's and don'ts and followed it
> > > > > > conscientiously
> > > > > > > >> , and found the satisfaction and happiness of self-mastery.
> > > > > > > >> > >>>>> --
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